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Neil de Grasse Tyson explains why there aren’t more women in science

by Jennifer Kesler on December 14, 2010

Every once in a while, the great conspiracy to depress me further about the world in which I live trips over its knuckles and provides something like this. It’s a video from a science panel. In it, astrophysicist Neil de Grasse Tyson tackles the audience question of why there aren’t more women in science (the audience member jokingly describes it as the “Larry Summers question“). He leverages his perspective as a black man to get a sense of where women are coming from. Here’s the video, but for some reason it doesn’t go to the timestamped bit where this actually occurs – you can see only the exact segment we’re talking about via this link.

“I’ve never been female,” he begins, getting a laugh, “but I’ve been black all my life.”

He describes being nine years old on a visit to the Hayden Planetarium and deciding astrophysics is what he wants to do. He describes response to his ambitions as the “hands-down the path of most resistance” from “the forces of society.”

“Don’t you want to become an athlete?” teachers asked him.

He talks about how all these “curve balls” he was thrown just kept fueling him. But then he wondered where were all the other people like him who wanted to take this path? Why did he make it, when others did not? He talks about the various ways the resistance manifests: about his being followed through department stores by security guards who assume a black man is likely to be a thief. All this he offers to establish that the forces of resistance against anyone-but-white-guys entering science “are real.”

“Before you start talking about genetic differences,” he says, “you’ve got to come up with a system that has equal opportunity. Then we can have that conversation.”

We just talked about why gender essentialism is bad, sexist science last week, and Tyson’s spelling it out beautifully: until you actually get rid of the cultural differences, you can’t begin to isolate genetic differences. I’m not even sure it’s possible to make a society so egalitarian that the only plausible reason for someone failing would be their own inadequacy or lack of diligence – but that’s not his point. The point is: we are so far away from ruling out social and cultural influences, bringing up genetic influences is laughable.

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The Other Patrick (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 10:27 am

Yeah. Also: Nei deGrasse Tyson rocks, and even now I’m not sure he is as big a star as he deserves

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Palaverer (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 11:24 am

I am such a huge fan of Tyson that I will be naming one of my children after him.

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Megan (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 1:37 pm

I LOVE that man. I really do. Every time I see him speak I am left feeling warm and fuzzy and full of restored hope for humanity.

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DSimon (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm

Hm, we might be able to isolate cultural differences by comparing the experiences of people who are genetically XX but expressed sexually as male (and who don’t even know it themselves, so that self-policed behavior isn’t an issue) vs people in the same cultural situation who are XY and express as male.

But, there are so few XX males that this sort of study would be really tricky to do. In particular, if you wanted to do it double-blinded so that the XX males didn’t know they were XX males during the course of the study, you’d only get one real set of experimental-group data from every 20,000 (!) male-expressed participants.

Also, Neil de Grasse Tyson rocks everyone’s socks, in alphabetical order. :-)

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Attackfish (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 2:58 pm

This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy and hopeful

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shatana (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 3:26 pm

I love Tyson because of his science geekitude, and now I love him more knowing that he’s so self- and socially-aware.

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shatana (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm

Thanks for the video!

For those who want to go straight to the clip in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEeBPSvcNZQ#t=1h1m20s

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SunlessNick (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 5:35 pm

I didn’t know who Tyson was when I read the title, so I had such low hopes for this article; it was good to see them dashed. :)

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 5:38 pm

Me too, I was girding my loins in preparation for more gender FAIL but now I feel renewed! :D

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Attackfish (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 6:05 pm

I’m glad I’m not the only one!

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Rutee (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 9:11 pm

I was worried Tyson did something stupid and was :( , then read the article.

I mean, I know he’s smart, but I didn’t know he was aware!

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Rutee (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 9:18 pm

Just saw the clip highlighted above.

I quite like how Neil didn’t laugh at the suggested question. He was 100% serious.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 14, 2010 at 10:38 pm

Hmm – that is the link I embedded, but for some reason it doesn’t go to the timestamp like the naked link does. Thanks!

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Damon (like) (flag)
December 15, 2010 at 9:00 am

Couldn’t have said it better myself. It’s people like Carl Sagan and Neil de Grasse Tyson who are responsible for the great leaps in scientific knowledge that we have seen. Not neccessarily because of their scientific contributions (which are also awesome) but because they are so good at being presenting it to the public and inspiring so many others to ask the important questions about the universe.

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The Other Patrick (like) (flag)
December 15, 2010 at 9:32 am

Tyson himself has a great story of meeting Sagan as a grad student and being personally inspired by the man towards being a science communicator himself.

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The Other Patrick (like) (flag)
December 15, 2010 at 9:39 am
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Keith (like) (flag)
March 10, 2011 at 8:22 am

The world I wish we lived in:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/stephen-jay-gould-speaks-out-against-science-papar,266/

I do hope you’re familiar with The Symphony of Science
http://symphonyofscience.com

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