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Open Thread: Who’s more embarrassing?

by Maria on April 6, 2011

Okay, peeperellas. It’s time to make a list.

Recently, we received a link from a reader letting us know about a post on Her Bad Mother. Catherine, HBM’s boss-lady, received an email from a reader saying that they were ashamed FOR HER that she’s wasted her education by becoming a mother with no job. Because being a mom is embarrassing, right? Women who choose to stay at home are just moochers, right? Catherine responds:

There is, it seems, this deeply ingrained but internally contradictory cultural idea that mothers are public property whose choices should be publicly scrutinized and judged but who themselves should not be part of the discourse of the public sphere, that is to say, share their stories and experiences of motherhood and family life out in the open and seek out dialogue and community there.

They’re repeating a story that asserts that the lives of women are not only not interesting, but not even suitable for the public sphere, unless those lives look more like men’s lives, or the lives historically celebrated as the kind that are lived by men. (It is worth noting that this story is often told by women. The disdain toward ‘mommy bloggers that one sees in the cultural commentary produced by some young feminists and the antipathy toward women who leave professional career tracks to ‘just’ be mothers expressed by the Linda Hirschman’s of the world are both expressions of the biases of this story.) It’s an old story, a disempowering story, and a stupid story.

This is one of the reasons we at Hathor get so jazzed over mommy blogs…. and why we’re so bewildered that, out of all the people someone could be ashamed of right now, someone could pick STAY AT HOME MOMS as the shamiest shamers who ever shamed the world.

Here’s the beginning of our list, collaboratively written by several Hathor bloggers:

People Who Are More Shameful than Mothers Who Choose To Opt Out of the Workforce (An Abridged List):

1. Charlie Sheen

2. Karl Rove

3. The parents in The Nanny Diaries

4. NBC writers

5. WI governor Scott Walker

6. Rush Limbaugh

7. Gadhafi

8. Mubarek

9. Roman Polanski.

10. Rupert Murdoch

11. Michael Bay (for sexist behavior)

12. Lucas & Spielberg

13. Kenneth Lay

14. Bernie Madoff

15. Bush, Paulson, Bernanke and the rest of the TARP “Let’s punish banks for wrecking the US by giving them billions!” gang

16. Pretty much the entire financial sector

17. The Catholic church

18. South Dakota

19. Ann Coulter

20. Child molesters

21. Dick Cheney

22. Naomi Wolf

23. Martin Harty (for this)

24. Michelle Bachmann, who has never been rated higher than “pants on fire” for a public statement by politifact

25. The House Republicans for their attacks on women, the country, common sense and…idk kittens. Everything.

26. Bobby Franklin, particularly

27. Everyone actively involved in pushing non-sense mortgages

28. Real estate flippers.

29. The real estate market, which behaved in a predatory fashion last decade

30. For profit colleges and universities, that exploit low income students and vets in order to take advantage of federal funding

31. Anti-union parents who don’t get that teachers deserve a living wage

32. Westboro Baptist Church

33. George RR Martin fans who harassed him so much while he was writing his book

34. Rabid P&A fans

35. LDS church

36. Companies that outsource jobs to foreign countries

C’mon, readers. Who’s more embarrassing than stay at home moms, whose hard work at a risky job makes it possible for some families to make ends meet? If you can’t think of anyone more embarrassing (no judgment here — maybe you’re at work and can’t really work up ye olde blood pressure just now), then let’s take this thread as an opportunity to celebrate parents who try to be the best parents they can — regardless of whether they stay at home or not.

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Brand Robins (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 3:19 pm

Absolutely!

The economic slavery conditions that third world countries are deliberately forced into is about as shameful as it is possible to get.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 5:01 pm

Jeff Robinov
–Robert C. Cooper
Dominic Minghella
Alfred Hitchcock
–Sarah Palin
–People who double park to make cell phone calls
–People who park in disabled spaces without actually needing them
–People who give giant kudos to fathers for helping to take care of their own kids once in a while (“babysitting”)
–Wal-Mart
–Taliban
–The DR of Congo
–People who perform female circumcision

You know, it’s going to be a LONG fucking time before we finish this list, if we’re being exhaustive about it. I think there are about 5.75 billion people who embarrass me more than stay at home moms. ;)

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Attackfish (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 5:21 pm

People who park in disabled spaces without actually needing them

Be careful with this one. It’s way rarer than most people think, whereas invisible disabilities that require the spaces are more common. Even with my placard, I frequently put my oxygen on when I go to the car on days I don’t need it to keep people from hassling me about stealing a space they don’t think I need.

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Dani (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 7:17 pm

The men in Egypt who are telling the women, who were on the front lines protesting in order to oust Mubarak, that they should go home, where they “belong”.

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Sylvia Sybil (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 7:20 pm

Back when my knees were still so bad I needed a disability placard, but after I’d stopped using the walker, I got so many glares! At first I tried to feel positive about it, that they were trying to support disabled rights, but after a while I started to get really defensive. I still get glares and the occasional pointed comment about my “young legs” when I take the elevator up a single floor. Just because I can walk on a flat surface doesn’t mean I can handle stairs, thankyouverymuch.

However, I’ve also had people brag about borrowing their grandmother’s placard to get parking at the mall on a busy Saturday, or express surprise when I let my placard expire because I no longer needed it instead of trying to renew it “just in case”. So I cheerfully disparage the self-admitted abusers of the system.

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Attackfish (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 7:39 pm

I’ve noticed a lot of people have a terrible fear of other people “getting away with something” that is much more severe than their fear that someone who needs a service will do without.

Where I’m from, if someone borrows your placard, you lose it and get a hefty fine, so no one brags about borrowing their grandparents’ placards here. It probably gets done, but no one talks about it.

By the way, I would like to add the school administrators at my university who illegally curtain off handicapped parking and turn it into event parking whenever they feel like it. They have are so many ADA violations, what’s one more?

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Attackfish (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 7:50 pm

You’re lucky. Apparently, they saw my dad as some sort of shining star before he left, and they badly wanted him back. We moved twice to different states before they lost track of us. They were trying to get him to reconcile with “his wife” (he never got a temple divorce) long after he married my mom.

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Jenny Islander (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 8:48 pm

Bungholes who swerve into puddles so that they can splash pedestrians, cuz it’s funny, haw haw. Especially when they do it to kids, babies in strollers, or people in wheelchairs, who tend to catch most of the filthy freezing water right in the face. And yes, this has happened to my kids and baby.

Anybody who blows through a crosswalk because they’re too busy yacking on their cell phones while speeding up so that they will have longer to sit and fume at the red light.

Flatheads who shoot up or otherwise deface highway signs.

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Jamie (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 8:58 pm

Oh! I’ll add to this one the gits that throw sodas and whatnot from passing cars at transpeople on the street. Freaks my kids out every time it happens. Thankfully bad aim!

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Nicky P (like) (flag)
April 6, 2011 at 9:33 pm

It’s my understanding that he dislikes asexuals too.

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Gabriella (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 1:22 am

The people who bitch and moan when a wheelchair-user ‘demands’ next use of the disabled toilet regardless of where they were in the line. (Or any disabled person, obviously, but I think it’s particularly scummy when you can SEE the person is disabled and still think they should wait.)

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Finbarr Ryan (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 3:15 am

He doesn’t dislike us, he just thinks we shouldn’t ‘inflict’ ourselves on sexuals. See, we have this conspiracy to trap people in unsatisfying relationships, and he’s wise to our game.

That Dan Savage. Truly, a worthy adversary.

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Alara Rogers (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 5:43 am

This one bugs me too (if the “reply” function is misaligned again, I am responding to Attackfish and agreeing that the “people who park in spots for the disabled when they don’t need them” is problematic.) I’m aware that it gets abused; my ex-boyfriend drove a car that his grandmother had purchased for him for the purpose of driving her places, and since she had registered it it had handicapped plates… he was abled, she wasn’t, but he parked in disabled-person spots when she wasn’t in his car, if he was in a big rush. But, I agree that it is impossible to tell from looking at a person whether they have an invisible disability or not.

My husband is legally blind. We have been in situations where people gave us a hard time for me insisting on accompanying him as a reader because spouses weren’t supposed to be there and “he doesn’t look blind.” I had a period of a year when I suffered severe shortness of breath (they never did figure out why) and could not climb stairs easily, but lots of places would reserve the elevators for disabled people and then give me the stink-eye when I used them.

So yeah. I prefer to err on the side of making sure people who need something get it than try to keep people who don’t deserve it from having it.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 7:13 am

I’ve noticed a lot of people have a terrible fear of other people “getting away with something” that is much more severe than their fear that someone who needs a service will do without.

Am I the only one who thinks these people are 4 year olds in some kind of Freaky Friday situation? At that age, you think fairness can be measured by the exact size of an ice cream scoop. But by about age 10, you understand that other factors can come into play: the calorie intake of a bigger kid vs. a smaller one, the fact that one kids followed the rules to get the ice cream and the other didn’t, the fact that some people are lactose intolerant and can’t even have the ice cream and therefore deserve something else that’s pricier which you can’t have because you CAN eat the cheap ice cream and enjoy it, etc.?

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Isabel C. (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 7:24 am

Or the general “growth at all costs” attitude that pervades capitalism, especially as practiced in America…

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 7:49 am

Point taken. Some people have actually bragged to me about using those spaces when they have no need at all for them, because they think it’s unfair that the disabled get to have it so easy (!!??!!), so that’s who I had in mind.

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Maria (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 10:49 am

Oh, hon, you are being so optimistic if you think 10 yr olds get that over ice cream. ICE CREAM IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

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Attackfish (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 11:06 am

speaking as someone who always had to have special arrangements with food, this is true.

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sbg (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 11:15 am

We used to have to split cones from McDonald’s and it was WAR on who got the cone and who had to eat their “half” with a spoon, from a paper cup. Woe.

McDonald’s trips were generally a Big Deal.

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Jaynie (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 12:15 pm

actually I think that one is illegal in a lot of places (I know it is where I live because there could easily be shards of ice in the water in spring) but it’s one of those laws that nobody ever acts on.

Speaking of driving, I’d like to add people who think that talking on their cell phones doesn’t distract them, despite the very solid evidence that yes, it does. It distracts them so much they don’t even notice that they’re swerving all over the road.

Also, the numerous people who are inconsiderate enough to drive through an intersection when the traffic is backed up enough that they will be blocking either the crosswalk or the intersection itself, thereby either forcing walkers to dart into traffic or backing up traffic in yet another direction. Also illegal, but that didn’t stop the police officer I encountered doing this yesterday.

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Jaynie (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 12:19 pm

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned Glenn Beck, who makes a living lying to people and being a shill for big business, and working himself up into racist, sexist, rages.

The lovely folks at the discovery institute who mislead people into believing pseudoscience, which has the indirect result of lowering critical thinking at a time when it is increasingly necessary. As well as Ken Ham, the odious little toad who owns the creation museum and the up-and-coming Noah’s ark exhibit, the latter of which involved lying to Kentucky’s gov’t in order to get state funding.

Global warming deniers are pretty shameful too.

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Attackfish (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 12:34 pm

I think it’s highly likely that Glen Beck is severely mentally ill, and honestly believes what he’s saying, and therefore, I feel sorry for him, because he lives in that horrible world he talks about and is probably terrified all the time. I feel the same about Michelle Bachman. Now the people behind them, spoon-feeding their ravings to the public for profit, yeah. They deserve to be flayed alive.

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sbg (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 12:41 pm

I was kind of lumping him in with Fox News. That umbrella ain’t big enough.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Actually, global warming is a theory with flaws, and I remain unconvinced on purely scientific grounds (plus, lots of evidence that the earth has always had variances in temperature, long before industrialization).

BUT. And this is a big BUT. I thought polluting and wasting the world sucked viciously long before anyone suggested global warming might be a result. No one should need GWT to convince them that we are obligated to do better by the ecology and by our fellow humans in oh so many ways.

So, for the list, how about: people who don’t think pollution and wasting of resources is anything we need concern ourselves with?

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Isabel C. (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Heh, yeah.

I was twelve when my parents let me get my ears pierced. My sister was eleven. It was YEARS before I let that grudge go, and it still comes up as a joke.

I mean, I get the point, but I think either my sister and I were unusually petty for our age group–quite possible–or ten-year-olds are sadly not quite as enlightened as one might think. :)

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Casey (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 2:35 pm

That sucks…we always just got the mini-cones for free. (THEN THEY STARTED CHARGING LIKE A BUCK FIFTY FOR THEM WHAT THE FUCK)

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Casey (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 2:54 pm

Also, ne’er-do-wells who shit into bags then toss them from passing cars at old folks and immigrants (yeah, my high school friends were douchebags).

And that guy who yelled “FAGGOT~!” as he speeded down the street past my friend which rendered him in shock and asking “how did he know!?” *sigh* OTL

AND this really, really old ephebophile of a museum curator who kept feeling up said friend when he was visiting a recreation of a Viking village during his trip to Iceland.

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Brand Robins (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 3:19 pm

Lordy.

I hate to tell the fuckwits that were stalking your dad… but if they got a legal divorce then they are “temple divorced.” That’s just how it works.

But some people’s children….

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Brand Robins (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm

Agreed.

Of course, the real problem with North American capitalism is that the whole structure is built on the necessity of constant growth. If it stops growing it starts imploding. Which means that any means needed to assure growth is easy to justify as necessary, because it isn’t even about maintaining growth, its about keeping the system as a whole from collapsing.

If one sees parallels to the late Roman empire, one can probably be forgiven.

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Dani (like) (flag)
April 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm

Hollywood: for their awful portrayal of women, for the whitewashing of recent films like “The Last Airbender”, “Akira”, and “The Hunger Games” (and what that says about the overarching discrimination towards actors who aren’t white).
I could go on, but I don’t think this post would ever end if I did.

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