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Pathological narcissist wonders why woman won’t return his call

by Jennifer Kesler on October 6, 2009

This morning, a friend emailed me a reminder of just how pathologically arrogant people can be, with a heaping helping of gender dynamics on the side:

The story is this:  a girl was out with friends having drinks on King St (in Toronto ).  This guy approaches her and won’t leave her alone -saying how cute she is. She finally gives in  and hands the guy her business card to get rid of him. The attached  is an MP3 file of not one, but TWO voicemails this guy left. This goes down  in the history books – especially the second voice mail.
After hearing them you can clearly see why she didn’t call him back – instead she called in to the Z103.5 morning show & had them play this on the air.Ladies: He is out there… :)

I’ll relay a few snippets, but you really should click over and listen to the voice mails to hear his tone of voice. He sounds not so much confident as bored while he explains for a total of four-and-a-half minutes what a “catch” he is, and how he’s “approached by six or seven women a day” but he’s “very picky about what” he likes. She’s “very elegant” and he “couldn’t take his eyes off” of her, and her “friends were very jealous, even if they say they weren’t.”

On the second call, he wonders why she hasn’t returned the first one. Perhaps she just doesn’t understand that he’s “a complete catch”, and in fact “one of the few men in the city that has nothing wrong with him” (Toronto has over 1 million people), so he gives her a deadline to get back in touch with him or else she can “forget it.”

But, being a thoughtful soul, he acknowledges maybe there’s another reason she’s not calling back. Perhaps she was “abused in childhood” or her “mother has cancer, and you’re going to chemo” or maybe she’s just “extremely frightened.” For a second there, you think he’s getting warm, but no: he means frightened of intimacy. Oh. Never mind.

Then he says “nobody hands someone a business card and says ‘call me’ and then doesn’t return his calls. It’s very passive-aggressive – you should actually look that up: passive-aggressive personality disorder.”

Yeah. Now he’s dispensing psychiatric advice. In a slightly menacing tone.

And this apparently reminds him to mention that if she’s on any sort of psychiatric meds, he’s not interested. “But if you’re psychologically normal [his emphasis, not mine] and you haven’t called me because there’s been some horrible thing that’s happened in your life which prevented you, that’s fine.” The “that’s fine” is said in a very gracious tone of voice. Total 180 from the slightly menacing tone. People who can master an emotional U-turn in mid-sentence are not, in my experience, actually belabored with the complexity of any emotions beyond simmering, self-indulgent rage.

Clearly, in his mind, there are only two reasons a woman wouldn’t call him back: she’s been swept off by a tornado and lost her cell phone, or she’s insane. Because he is such a catch.

It’s hilarious – or maybe it’s just that I had to laugh in order to cope, because I know firsthand these guys are out there – but it’s also scary. This man may or may not be prone to physical violence, but he clearly:

  • Feels entitled to force his way into a woman’s life, using her socialization to play nice and not make a scene to his full advantage;
  • Believes that no matter how he bullied her into giving him her number, the giving of it constitutes the start of a relationship and immediately imposes certain obligations upon her;
  • Attempts to isolate her from her friends (“they were jealous, even if they say they weren’t”);

These are signs of an abusive personality. All this guy had to do was get into a public place and refuse to leave this woman alone until she appeased him, and boom, he’s in her life. Just like that.

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Anemone (like) (flag)
October 10, 2009 at 1:28 pm

I thought it was Gavin De Becker who said that, more or less word for word.

The bit about a fake phone number reminds me of when I was being harassed by a man at my convenience store job. He came back in again when I was back in school, and my boss told him I was in an MSc program. That was the last of him. (He thought I was a lot younger.)

The verbal equivalent of bear spray – which magic phrase is most effective?

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
October 10, 2009 at 3:47 pm

Here’s something on the origin of the quote, and why it gets attributed to both:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/42221.html

More to the point, we live in a society that puts the male fear of humiliation ahead of the female fear of death.

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Real Woman (like) (flag)
October 22, 2009 at 8:44 am

These voicemails are merely viral marketing for a new movie about the notorious seduction guru Dimitri The Lover. The producer is Brad Goodman, one of the guys that worked on Borat, Bruno, Religulous. They are totally fake. I know because I follow Dimitri The Lover’s twitter here:

[Link deleted by admin]

Also, check out his banned animations here:

[link deleted by admin]

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Pocket Nerd (like) (flag)
October 22, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Obvious spammer is obvious!

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
October 22, 2009 at 3:33 pm

You responded quick – I just approved that like two minutes ago! :D

I let that through because it kind of makes the point that narcissism in men is considered a virtue in American culture. But then I thought I should just delete it, only you’d already responded, so I compromised by deleting all the links so we can point/laugh/discuss without sending traffic to ‘em.

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Pocket Nerd (like) (flag)
October 22, 2009 at 3:42 pm

You responded quick – I just approved that like two minutes ago!

I have fast hands. I was a lonely teenager…

(<__>)

(o_0)

… what?

I’m also amused at this creepy little fellow who seems to assume any woman not interested in him must have something wrong with her… It’s like something from a sketch comedy show.

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Charles RB (like) (flag)
October 22, 2009 at 4:13 pm

“These voicemails are merely viral marketing for a new movie about the notorious seduction guru Dimitri The Lover.”

Damn it Hollywood, quit with the horror remakes!

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sbg (like) (flag)
October 22, 2009 at 9:43 pm

LOL, Charles RB. L.O.L.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
October 23, 2009 at 8:01 am

Obvious Spammer returned under another username and demanded to know why I’d deleted those links when some people might want to know about the film. I’d like to address that now, even though it was spam.

BECAUSE, YOU BIT OF EXCREMENT, MY READERS HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO GOOGLE THE FUCKING FILM FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT TO KNOW MORE.

How stupid do spammers think we are? I mean, seriously? Of course, if these fools work in film or advertising, they really WILL think we’re completely stupid and just clay waiting to be molded into holding whatever opinion they want to feed us.

To paraphrase Rhett Butler, spammers should be shot, and shot often, and by someone who knows how.

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Pocket Nerd (like) (flag)
October 23, 2009 at 8:09 am

Well, Jennifer, remember the film’s likely target demographic. Likely Google is too sophisticated a technology for them; these troglodytes are probably still at “bang rocks together, make fire”…

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Charles RB (like) (flag)
October 23, 2009 at 8:19 am

If it’s viral marketing, why did the voice messages come out over a year ago? Or is it viral marketing to link people to old stuff that actually happened?

And when I google, I don’t find information about the film. I find spam telling people it’s viral marketing for a film but nothing on the film itself. Like, say, an official film website, or announcements by studios. The film is going to be released within “a few months”, they said last month: well where’s the fucking studio marketing then?

It’s like watching Gordon Brown talk about economic recovery, only less credible. And that’s pretty damn non-credible.

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Biku (like) (flag)
October 23, 2009 at 8:42 am

I wonder if the whole “it’s a film! Really!” is either a) wishful thinking or be) a way to cover their ass.

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Charles RB (like) (flag)
October 23, 2009 at 8:47 am

re Biku: if the spammers are acolytes of Dmitri, it’s probably the former. He might have told them “I’m going to be in a film!”, and they lapped it up.

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