Both Elizabeth’s and Will’s actions rang true for me throughout. The entire first movie was driven by their devotion to each other, particularly from Will’s end; I didn’t see him having to choose between Elizabeth and his father as being a question of she’s prettier. He was willing to give up his entire life to break Jack out of jail with the hope of rescuing her in the first movie, and every action he took from there was basically to try and be with her. If anything, she was the more dynamic of the two; while she was working to save and/or be reunited with Will, she was also concerned about the broader world, and acting independently to try and help the pirates. I think that’s why I don’t assume she sat around as a housewife/mom for the decade – he was always about devotion to her and doing what he had to to be with her; she was very much in love with him, but also doing other things in the meantime in the movies themselves.

So, who the hell wants, let alone EXPECTS their loved one to stick around for a reunion every ten years?Haven’t these people heard of ‘if you love someone, set them free’? I know they meant to play it as being all romantic, but it seemed possessive to me. If Will had really loved Elizabeth, he would have refused to come back. And it was a huge disappointment for her to achieve all the stuff she did and then have it implied that all she did after that was be a single mother.

Even though television isn’t perfect, at least there are a lot more dramas that feature women.

I was just making this point to some friends yesterday. TV is starting to open itself to deeper characterization (which they thought no one wanted years ago), and some shows are bothering to develop female characters as well as male. It’s slow progress, but if the trend continued, it could be significant in a few more decades.

It’s intereting that women make up half the population, in many instances make the buying decisions and financial decisions for the family, yet still have a very limited role in movies.

Even though television isn’t perfect, at least there are a lot more dramas that feature women. They may be STUPID women in a lot of instances (so are the guys, though) but at least you see and hear them onscreen.

So, give me “The Office” and “Ugly Betty” and Addison Montgomery Shepard and my Farscape DVDS any day.

This sounds like every movie I grew up with that made any serious use of women at all. Either they were neat, but only temporarily, or they were only sort of neat.

This film sounds like a major disappointment.

But, yes, that’s how it ends. Basically, there’s a scene where they talk about how they haven’t been talking and Will ways says “How can I trust you if you are making decisions by yourself?” which she says back to him (or something similar) later in the movie. Along the way, his father tells her that Will won’t rescue him like he promised because she’s too pretty, so he’ll pick her (because he would have to kill Davy Jones to rescue Bootstrap Bill and that would cause him to lose the girl, or something like that) and so she spends the rest of the movie apparently trying to help Will rescue his dad. And they live happily ever after.

Oh well, at least she gets to be a pirate lord and then the “king” of the pirates. And give actual commands on a ship before surrendering to her rightful place as a woman.

Apparently not.

I haven’t seen the movie yet, but that ending seems out of character.