Reaction: Supernatural (6×19)

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*taps microphone* Is this thing on? Just checking. :) ETA: I would like to see discussion of the show outside of “OMG, it’s so rotten.” Because, well, despite its rottenness in some areas, I still love it and would prefer for these posts to not be downers all the time. ;) Surely, someone out there watches currently and has a POV to share different to mine regarding particular episodes?

*cues the crickets chirping*

This week’s Supernatural was all about Eve, except it had very little to do with Eve because who needs to focus on a female character when there are plenty white males to focus on? That’s the recap.

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I squeed when I saw Amber Benson’s name on the screen. And then I booed when she was only brought back to be killed off. Dean, here’s a hint: if your angelic pal burns a vampire’s head, pretty slowly, when there are alternative means to dealing with her, this is a sign he’s not very nice.

While I don’t love that they’ve killed off a couple more women, I do appreciate that the Supernatural regulars took the fight on the offensive instead of waiting around for a season or two before finally doing something. Of course, I was just starting to like Eve, and as it turns out she wasn’t the actual big bad. The Mother of All had a terribly cliche reason for unleashing her babies on the world, but it’s believable to me that she’d go on the offensive when her creations were being tortured and killed for no good reason. She probably would have been content to have things return to the status quo, but that was never going to happen.

At least she got out of the white nightie and bare feet for her death scene. Granted, I’m not sure a waitress uniform is much better.

Bobby quote : Add that to the pile of crap that don’t make sense. Have I mentioned how much I *heart* Bobby?

Someone once somewhere called it that Bobby would be the first one to say something about Castiel being a pod angel. This episode was actually more about Castiel than Eve, so as a lukewarm Castiel fan (not fan, really, uhm … tolerator?) I don’t know how to feel about these developments. Supernatural did it with Sam’s storyline for years, keeping us in the dark, but with Castiel it’s even worse. The whole angel war seems so distant, and it’s not like we’ve seen much of Castiel since the end of last season, and what we have seen it has been pretty obvious something changed with the guy. I guess I’m finding it hard to care about him going darkside, because I’m old school Supernatural. This show is always Sam and Dean to me – like, are we ever going to revisit the wall holding the mutilated parts of Sam’s soul in safety? THAT’s what I want to know.

Because it’s pretty clear their angel buddy hasn’t been angelic for quite some time. Faking Crowley’s death, being in cahoots with the guy (who apparently is a big part of the cover-up efforts Castiel’s been employing to keep Sam and Dean out of the loop), torturing Firsts for access to the souls in Purgatory. It begs the question: what good is winning the war if it turns you bad?

This is a question, btw, that has already been asked and answered several times.

It’s actually disappointing to me that Dean can’t see it. He saw it with Sam, clear as day. Correction: I think Dean does see it, but doesn’t want to admit it. Surely having Bobby and Sam both hint they don’t trust Castiel much anymore would mean something to him. But since I’ve never understood the faith they’ve had in the guy (he was wishy-washy for the first year and a half we knew him, never committing, etc.), I guess I don’t get the loyalty. The “raised him from perdition” card has been played to death. Time to lose the faith a little bit.

Plus, it’s really not cool or interesting the way they always just call Castiel down to help them out. Is that friendship? Really?

It was nice to see Samantha Smith again. She did a fab job mirroring Julia Maxwell’s mannerisms as Eve.

I was not too surprised when Sam and Dean escorted the perfect monster right out of town. In the car was a nice moment while it lasted, the parallel between brothers in the front and brothers in the back was a real d’awwww! moment. Of course, the parallel of the younger brother being the monster that destroyed his older brother was far less d’awwww! Supernatural has a real thing with that, I think. ;) I want to know how Crowley knew to go kill the monsterified boys – how did Castiel know, or did that happen in the very brief pause we got between Sam and Dean telling Castiel about Ryan and them actually going to the house?

Next week looks painful to me. Just a fair warning. I don’t feel the angel love.

Comments

  1. Meredith says

    “I squeed when I saw Amber Benson’s name on the screen. And then I booed when she was only brought back to be killed off.”

    This statement makes me very grateful that I stopped watching at the end of last season. They are so disrespectful to women and their fans on this show. It is hard to believe that I loved it the first couple of seasons.

  2. Sally says

    And you’re surprised why?

    I actually gave up on this show way back after about episode four of Season One, when someone who had to call on ‘god’ could only call on ‘jesus’ — I mean christianity is the only trooly-rooly religion, isn’t it?

    And with christianity being a cesspit of misogyny, it is not surprising that the most ‘evil’ beings are female.

    Still, come to think of it, it is only in a christian (and specifically a Western christian) society that one can even envisage such a show about “ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties,” that is also set within a context of ‘morality.’

  3. sbg says

    Sally,

    I never said I was surprised, actually. I clearly haven’t given up. I’m very aware of the issues Show delivers week to week, but I’m also aware of the good things.

    It’s hard to have a conversation with people who gave up after, well, not watching any of the show, really.

  4. sbg says

    Meredith,

    I’m sorry you feel that way. I dunno – I guess I can watch and enjoy the show while still dissecting it on some level for the problematic issues it gets wrong. And the ones they get right.

  5. says

    Sally: Still, come to think of it, it is only in a christian (and specifically a Western christian) society that one can even envisage such a show about “ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties,” that is also set within a context of ‘morality.’

    Er, are you actually suggesting no other religion in any part of the world has sufficient misogyny to produce such a thing? That’s just not true. I wish it were – then we’d just have one enemy to fight, that wouldn’t even comprise the majority of religious people ’round the world.

  6. iiii says

    I wish they’d left Lenore alive in Bobby’s panic room. Partly because I don’t like how they killed Amber Benson’s character, apparently for keeps, in the same episode where they say, “Psych! Mark Shepard’s character never really died!” Partly because I don’t think we know if Eve is dead or just exorcised, and Lenore would have been able to tell.

    I knew one or both of those boys was a carrier when they spent all that screen time chauffeuring them around. There was a similar situation in “Bloodlust” that Show covered in two lines of dialogue: “Lenore get out ok?” “Yeah. All of them did.”

    There’s something off about the Dean-Castiel relationship. Castiel comes when Dean calls and lets Dean bark orders at him. Yes, Dean is the avatar of humanity, champion of the people, tra-la-la, all that jazz, but Castiel commands the Armies of Heaven, and there’s a war on. So why is he so assiduously dancing attendance on Dean? Maybe Castiel still feels bound by the orders he got back in the “Great Pumpkin” episode to follow Dean’s orders? Not sure that flies; Castiel stopped following orders from his “superiors” a while back.

    I’ve got a semi-formed speculation brewing about Castiel using Dean’s soul as his personal power-pack. Like, a bond? conduit? formed between them when Castiel pulled Dean out of Hell. Through that bond, Dean unknowingly infects Castiel with his own particular brand of human-ness, which eventually leads to Castiel rejecting obedience to paternal authority as a life strategy, as Dean had the year before. Then, after Castiel was cut off from the power of Heaven, he started drawing directly on Dean. Also something about how Famine didn’t affect Dean, but Castiel got cravings for Dean’s favorite food. If Castiel was holding Dean’s soul at the time, it could explain why Famine saw nothing in Dean but emptiness. I should go back and re-watch seasons 4 and 5, see how much this matches to the text.

    Though it could just be that Castiel is an angel of Thursday, and being moved to Friday nights has left him all discombobulated.

  7. sbg says

    iiii:
    I wish they’d left Lenore alive in Bobby’s panic room.Partly because I don’t like how they killed Amber Benson’s character, apparently for keeps, in the same episode where they say, “Psych! Mark Shepard’s character never really died!”Partly because I don’t think we know if Eve is dead or just exorcised, and Lenore would have been able to tell.

    I think Sam and Dean had no intention of fulfilling her request. It was Castiel who took the initiative to do it, and, well, because it was him I have to wonder if the motivation was so much, “we have to focus on killing Eve” (his motivation for doing so, of course, is not the same as Sam and Dean’s – but they don’t know that) as it was “I have to cover my ass in as many ways possible here.”

    Your theory re: Dean and Castiel is very interesting. I could totally see it. I could also see Castiel being complicit somehow in keeping Sam separated from his soul for that year, somehow. What if Sam’s soul wasn’t in the cage all that time? What kind of power could be harnessed from the soul of the guy who locked Lucifer up? Castiel had to fess up that Sam had no soul because Dean knew something was wrong, but he was a ardent advocate for letting him go on soulless.

  8. sbg says

    Jennifer Kesler,

    I think her point was more about the morality play bit – which I also don’t think is quite true, but I’m not versed enough in religions of the world to speak much to it.

  9. iiii says

    sbg: I think Sam and Dean had no intention of fulfilling her request. It was Castiel who took the initiative to do it, and, well, because it was him I have to wonder if the motivation was so much, “we have to focus on killing Eve” (his motivation for doing so, of course, is not the same as Sam and Dean’s – but they don’t know that) as it was “I have to cover my ass in as many ways possible here.”

    Right with you there.

    Your theory re: Dean and Castiel is very interesting. I could totally see it. I could also see Castiel being complicit somehow in keeping Sam separated from his soul for that year, somehow. What if Sam’s soul wasn’t in the cage all that time? What kind of power could be harnessed from the soul of the guy who locked Lucifer up? Castiel had to fess up that Sam had no soul because Dean knew something was wrong, but he was a ardent advocate for letting him go on soulless.

    I figure Castiel was so against re-ensouling Sam because he was in on Sam’s resurrection with Crowley, and whatever reason they had for bringing back the body without the soul still applies. If Castiel, Balthazar, and Death were telling anything like the truth, Sam’s soul was indeed in the cage, and it’s in bad, bad shape right now. I don’t think whatever’s up with Sam’s soul is about its potential as a power source. (Well, really, I don’t want it to be about that. Sam was so focused on judging himself and Dean on whether they were “strong enough” for this or that, as though his undefined ideal of “strength” was the only metric, the only relevant virtue, and I found it annoying. I don’t want Show validating that juvenile crap any more than they already have.) It could just be that Castiel/Crowley didn’t want to give Michael and Lucifer ideas like “if he can get out, so can we.” Or maybe Sam’s soul is now admixed with drops of Lucifer, and they’re worried about Lucifer regenerating, planaria-like, out of those drops.

  10. sbg says

    iiii,

    Heh, see, I think one of the reasons they brought back Sam without his soul could easily be that they wanted to retain use of it as a power source. Balthazar and Castiel are wholly unreliable narrators, and to a degree so is Death, though I do believe he retrieved Sam’s soul from the cage. So, I just debunked that theory, I think.

    I’m not quite sure how Sam’s soul holding extra power (btw, I think Dean’s does too) validates any juvenile crap – though I should confess I don’t quite get what you mean by that in the first place. :)

  11. iiii says

    Maybe I’m oversensitized to the word “strong” after ten years of _Survivor_. Some contestants every game (it’s mostly men, plus an aspiring Smurfette or two per tribe, each of whom intends to end up the only girl in the boy’s treehouse) start the game burbling on about how the tribe needs strength to win challenges, so we have to keep the manliest men and vote out the women and insufficiently manly men. It does not matter that this strategy yields uniformly poor results for the alliances that use it; every season there’s a new crop yapping about keeping the strong and voting out the weak. Twenty seasons of that later, I hear “strong” and “weak” as a dog whistles for a certain schoolyard brand of masculinity that values well-muscled gym rats over people who have demonstrated competence for the actual tasks at hand. It’s juvenile crap.

    Scattered throughout the series there’s bits where Sam starts on about how Dean is too weak, or Sam is or isn’t strong enough to do something or other. I think the first one’s in “Asylum.” It really ramped up in season 4, in which we saw Sam obsessively work to make himself stronger and stronger, only to discover that his final test of strength was not stopping the Apocalypse, but breaking the final seal. If he’d stayed “weak,” maybe the demons could have found someone else to kill Lilith, maybe not… but at least it wouldn’t have been Sam’s hand on the trigger.

    “Two Minutes to Midnight” starts with Dean telling Sam that saying yes to Satan is a stupid idea. Later in the episode Sam says to Dean, “I know you think I’m too weak to take on Lucifer.” I heard that as indication that Sam hadn’t learned a goddamn thing from season 4, and also that he wasn’t listening to what Dean actually said. Weak or strong was beside the point. Humans don’t beat angels, demons, monsters, et al., by arm-wrestling. Humans win with information, tools, trickery, and nerve. Sam should know that, after a lifetime of fighting monsters. He *really* should know that after the object lesson on the dubious value of strength that was season 4. But there’s Sam at the end of season 5, still framing the merits of his plan to avert the Apocalypse in terms of a schoolyard version of masculinity that treats Strong as the only virtue worth considering.

    Next episode, Dean pulls up to the final battle in his black ’67 Yellow Crayon Speech; Sam’n’Dean montage ensues; Sam gets control and jumps into the cage. A whole lot of viewers read that scene as Sam straight-up overpowering Lucifer, arm-wrestling style. To the extent that the audience reads the scene as affirming that yep, strength is what did it, Show is validating the juvenile crap.

    If Show goes on to tell us that Sam and Dean have super-powered souls, it’ll be further validation of that same crap about how the Strength of Manly Men is all that matters. Never mind the previous six seasons of showing us that what’s generally *effective* is information, tools, trickery, and nerve. If they make it all about the Manly Strength, I will be annoyed.

  12. sbg says

    iiii,

    Huh. See, I’ve never viewed it as weak/strong in a physical sense despite Sam “bulking up” with his powers and then later physically (honestly, my theory is that he was exercising control over his body in some misguided hope that it would be a physical battle instead of mental, knowing all the while it wasn’t going to be a matter of any muscle besides his brain and (figurative) heart) and Sam calling Dean weak was also not a physical thing. (He was also, IIRC, not entirely in his right mind when he made those kinds of accusations, all hopped up on demon blood and Ruby’s machinations.) Even when I’ve called them manly men, I never really meant it as 100% physical. I think we’re just seeing this angle through different lenses.

    I do agree in general, though, that the manly man syndrome is annoying.

  13. The Other Anne says

    sbg,

    Man man man man manly man man man. Maaaaaaaaaaaan.

    That is all.

    Okay, it’s not all. I started getting pissed at SPN in Season 3 for the most part, once it became really apparent that every woman ever was a villain, monster, locked in a fridge, or just dies. Every one of them. Apparently now even the ones from seasons earlier who were in a single episode. It’s like they realized they killed every woman ever and are going back to make quite sure. Who next, the Amy Acker character from S1? Or did they kill her already? I haven’t seen most of the 6th season.

  14. sbg says

    The Other Anne,

    Six has been all over the place, so you’re not missing much. I’ve been successfully able to turn off the more hardcore feminist part of myself in order to watch Show, because if I didn’t, I wouldn’t be able to watch. And I want to watch, because I love Show so.

  15. The Other Anne says

    sbg,

    I get very sad thinking back to my excitement towards Show back in the first and second seasons and I couldn’t wait to see where it went, and then it went awful, and now I look back and am just sad. It’s not even the feminism that made me first become critical of it, surprisingly. It was my atheism. My atheism which resisted and resisted the Christian-centricity mixed with the appropriation of other mythologies with gods whose power, somehow, never compared with even just the demons and angels of the christian mythos. It made no sense to me that all these “pagan gods” were so weak and the christian creatures so strong. Especially once they brought in Hindu deities, and never brought up Jewish or Muslim versions of demons and angels (for example, in Muslim angel mythology it is thought that angels literally have no free with–if they had even just had an episode that dealt with that, perhaps another group of angels that acted as angel-zombies on only the word of the angel in power and never questioned…I dunno.

    Urgh. And the fact that it became the Dean-whines-about-Hell-every-episode-as-he-cries-in-a-last-minute-“chick flick moment”…Dean was never very interesting to me. I didn’t relate to him at all (though he is deliciously hot). Sam, though, Sam I got. I understood why he left the family business, and why he got back into it. I get questioning and skepticism and empathy. But it was like the writers tried their hardest to make him unrelatable and unlikable. (Which failed, because even after rewatching everything a few times I still don’t see what he did so wrong to cause the reactions he got–he did exactly what Dean had done, which was what he thought was right. But Show really likes to pretend that there are shades of grey but then they decide there really isn’t.)

    I can’t remember where I was going with this. URGH. I love Show so much. Shows I hate I would not be able to rant this much about them because I wouldn’t care and wouldn’t be emotionally involved. But, well, all my favorite characters are dead. I loved Jo. I loved season 3 Ruby, and that actress is still a favorite of mine. I loved Ellen, and Anna, and their past-mom, and their brother, and Jimmy and pretty much every supporting character. And I liked whatshisface who was in the S2 finale who is also the actor in Leverage with mad computer skills.

    Oh, man, I’m writing another essay, aren’t I?

    Is there any news on whether or not there will be a 7th season? I’ve been assuming no just because I didn’t think it would even go to the 6th because of what Kripke had been saying from the beginning, but then it happened. I’m kind of hoping not.

    The extremes of my feelings for Show are pretty, er, extreme.

  16. The Other Anne says

    So, in an effort to make a comment about Supernatural that is not a downer, I love looking at this show.

    As in, elastically–as my film professors loved to say–it was gorgeous to me. I loved the darkness of the sets, and that women got harsh shadows, and that at least in sets and setting it was entirely and always a horror show even though it became a weird christian epic.

    Specifically the ghost town in the last two episodes of season two is just spectacular. The asylum is awesome in Asylum (and I do love that actress who played Kat–she’s in Breakout Kings and is a character I relate to so well because we both have social anxieties, to differing degrees. I also really liked her in the 4400, despite her being a super cliche character of entirely typical proportions.). I do wish they had a bigger budget and could get some diversity in weather and climate and geography, as EVERYTHING looks pacific northwest–it can SOMETIMES pass for other wet northern states, but I never see anything that remotely resembles Colorado, the Dakotas, etc. It’s always too green, to cold looking. Not enough oranges and yellows and browns. But that’s a slight complaint, and overall they do so well for a show that’s supposed to be US nation-wide but only shoots in the Vancouver area.

    And, before they kill them, they are SO good at making side characters–especially of the female variety–that are very good IMO. I already mentioned loving some guest stars’ characters, but specifically I loved that cop in the S1 episode “The Benders,” as well as pretty much every angel (despite my other issues with them).

    What I liked about the episodes of the 6th is the return to episodic monster-of-the-week with a more “secular” tone to it, but I’ve only seen the first five episodes. I DON’T like the focus on FATHERS, but I guess that’s a big theme of the show itself, so eh. I would just think that some of the creatures have a less heteronormative patriarchal structure since they’re freaking monsters and they don’t have to make them conform to society, but that’s getting too downer, isn’t it? :D

    I loved the monster of the week thing–it’s what drew me to the show to begin with. I may be an atheist but I love fictional explorations of mythology and creatures.

    SBG: have you considered doing posts on the anime series? I think it’s started playing. I should check and see if it’s available streaming anywhere in the US. It might be interesting to compare the two, though it might stray from the goal of Hathor a bit.

    I think this comment is still a downer. Sorry. Everything I liked about the show seems to have been from years ago. ^^;;;

  17. Emily says

    Curious to know what your opinions are on Eve dying so soon.
    I honestly am disappointed with that decision I think they could have kept her on longer, I think she had the potential to be a really challenging character for the boys to kill and instead it was just dealt with in two shows.
    I mean I get that the war in heaven is a big deal and that we should focus on that but I can’t help but be frustrated when they bring in a character such as eve one of the oldest beings, Mother of all Monsters on top of that, and have her killed off just like that. Lesser beings have lasted twice or thrice longer on the show then she has. To me killing her off so quickly in the show cheapened her power and importance in the supernatural universe and consequently made me loose faith in the realism of the show. Obviously its a tv show and its not real but SPN usually has a hierarchy of difficulty in killing that reflects that creature or demon or angel’s status in his or her’s hierarchy (if that makes any sense). Like the higher up the hierarchy the harder and longer it takes the boys to kill that creature/demon/angel.

    I also echo the feelings of frustration when they just kill off all the females all the time.

    When this was mentioned:
    “Plus, it’s really not cool or interesting the way they always just call Castiel down to help them out. Is that friendship? Really”
    I was in complete agreement. How is that a relationship or friendship? Castiel is just Dean’s bitch doesn’t he have bigger fish to fry. I mean at first Cas made it sound that Dean shouldn’t be just calling him like that all the time, but now it’s like he waits for his call. It’s just irritating really.
    But as someone stated before maybe Cas is connected to Dean’s soul somehow. That would be an interesting twist of events and also fit nicely into the SPN universe.

    Well I’m done being frustrated by this season it seems to be jumping around to much, too many overarching story lines. I have this feeling that something really shitty is about to happen in the show. I’m hoping Cas has a nice reason to be working with Crowley but I fear he has gone to the dark side (teehehe).

    Anywho, here’s too hoping the last few episodes make sense of this mess and somehow regain my faith in the show. Though I do like that they brought in old characters and old subjects in this episode. But man I wish they would stop killing the mothers off so damn fast, its really making me not want to become one.
    Public Service Announcement from SPN:
    “If you become a mother you will die for your children. No jokes.”

  18. sbg says

    The Other Anne,

    I take the whole Christianity thing with a major grain of salt, simply because they took a lot of liberties. That said, I’ve never been very fond of the angels storyline, period. I come across as a Castiel hater sometimes because, well, that’s not a story I care all that much about. As long as it was about Dean and Sam in all that Christian hullabaloo, I could handle it.

    (PS, I think you might be one of the only people I know who never felt that thing that most of fandom felt for Dean. Now, I like both of their stories, but I always preferred Sam. Sam’s story is infinitely more interesting to me – and I hate, hate, hated the way they handled it beyond season two. Poor Sam got shafted in the storytelling, IMO.)

    Nine times out of ten, I balk at women in this show. I’ll admit it. I didn’t care for Ellen or Jo until toward the end of the season, and then they vanished. I enjoyed the one-off women in the MotW years, but found whenever Supernatural writers tried to give a woman a recurring role, it was a hot mess. And then they died.

    I … don’t really dig anime. :(

    There will be a 7th season, actually. I’m … not sure how I feel about it, just like I wasn’t sure how to feel about season six. I will, however, greedily enjoy all the eye candy.

  19. sbg says

    Emily,

    I’m mightily disappointed in the whole Eve thing. They made such a big deal in bringing her out of purgatory (hello, DRAGONS), then all they did was have her walk around barefoot in a nightie. It was clearly never about her, she was a means to an end, and by coming forth to the world to hunt down those who were hurting her children, she walked right into Crowley and Castiel’s plans, I think. I’m not sure Sam and Dean would have killed her if they knew earlier why she was roaming the earth. But, frankly, I think Castiel urged them to do it (not overtly, I just mean he seemed way more invested in finding/killing her then they might have been naturally – because, as I said above, it was imperative to him that she die. He wants the soul power she used to have.

    It was a damned waste, to put it plainly. Another female character brought on for the express purpose of killing. But keep in mind, I am finding it very difficult to care about the angel war. We’re not connected enough to it through our boys for me to care. I suspect that’ll change.

    I didn’t find Dean’s “joke” about Castiel being a baby in a trenchcoat particularly funny, either. It was rude and uncalled for – and directed at someone he considers a “friend”, so long as he’s got powers, I guess.

    Public Service Announcement from SPN:
    “If you become a mother you will die for your children. No jokes.”

    And don’t be a virgin, either. Or a slut. Or … oh, hell, just don’t be a woman, period.

  20. The Other Anne says

    sbg,

    I only dislike the christian storyline because it just seemed out of place in a pantheist world where every god and monster exists–had Show established christianity as the “true” one right away I’d have been fine with it–for me it just came as a smack on the face. I have a thing where I tend to separate characters from storylines, so while I also hated the angels thing, I loved the angels. I love Castiel as a character but not as a plot device or as an angel, if that makes sense. Everything with the angels happens way too far off screen for it to be very interesting.

    Apologies for yelling but POST SECOND SEASON SAM IS SO SADDENING. Totally in agreement.

    As for the female characters, I must admit to not have paid much attention beyond the MOTW years, so there is that. I really liked Ruby, as I said, and I thought she was a great counterpoint to the boys until what they did to the character in the 4th season, getting rid of that actress to save money and all that. New actress just did not have the spark 1st Ruby had. Bela was awful. I liked Ellen right away because that actress was in the 4400, and then I liked that there was an older woman around as an anti-dad. I liked Jo as a little sister type who couldv’e been around and learned the job, but then she was just gone. So yeah, mishandled there. It does bother me that 90% of the women are blonds. That got old. For a lot of the hot mess I think they paid too much attention to fandom. Fandom hated ALL female characters for reasons i could never comprehend, usually before they even made a first appearance. Which was why I left the fandom long ago.

    “I … don’t really dig anime.”
    That is really not surprising. I keep trying to watch anime and the “fanservice” (As though girls aren’t fans) in all the shows I’m interested in puts me off. I keep meaning to try this out though. Perhaps I will before the next Reaction and comment on that.

    …And, oh. Really. A 7th season. That’s just…I don’t…I don’t really know how I feel about that. I guess I should finish the 6th.

  21. iiii says

    Yes, they are definitely renewed for a seventh season.

    My last comment didn’t say what I was trying to say. I may come back and try again later, if I can get the words to line up right.

  22. sbg says

    The Other Anne,

    I can see that. I have no idea why, but my guess would be the fall back to Christianity is “that’s what we know”, which is not a very good reason at all.

    Fandom hated ALL female characters for reasons i could never comprehend, usually before they even made a first appearance. Which was why I left the fandom long ago.

    I do tend to kneejerk against women, but it’s not against the characters. It’s against what I know will happen. Ellen was instant mama bear and they toyed around with Jo/Dean when it was really inappropriately timed, etc. Always the love interest, the mom or the villain, all bound to die. While I know just not having women is not a solution, having women on Show for the above mentioned reasons isn’t better. :(

    I want Supernatural to do better on this front, but in order for them to do better, they have to know they’re sucking it up, big time. And I don’t think they get it enough to care.

  23. Meredith says

    sbg,

    I felt that way for a while, but then after “99 Problems” I just felt sick to my stomach. And then once they killed Ellen and Jo, with no really apparent reason other than to kill off recurring female characters, I was done. I guess everyone has a different threshold.

  24. sbg says

    Meredith,

    Yeah. The only other show I loved like this one, I thought I’d watch till the very last episode. I gave up sometime in season eight of a ten year run. It could happen if Supernatural keeps on keeping on year after year.

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