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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spooky parallel! :D

I really hope the difference between us and the other people we&#039;re talking about is philosophical. Otherwise, the only explanation I can come up with is that they&#039;re so locked into stereotypes that they just cannot comprehend that you actually want what you claim to want when it&#039;s not (in their minds) sufficiently feminine. And that would just be sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spooky parallel! <img src='http://thehathorlegacy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I really hope the difference between us and the other people we&#8217;re talking about is philosophical. Otherwise, the only explanation I can come up with is that they&#8217;re so locked into stereotypes that they just cannot comprehend that you actually want what you claim to want when it&#8217;s not (in their minds) sufficiently feminine. And that would just be sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH...MY...HEAVENS! Jen!? Are we parallel Jens? EYE always thought the point of gift giving was to get the receiver something they would enjoy/want, too! It&#039;s amazing the kind of...er...&quot;stuff&quot; we get from family during gift-giving occasions. Too often it&#039;s clearly gift-giving by obligation rather than from the heart. I like to give gifts WHEN I see them (rather than an OCCASION). Why wait? As for impressing, not so much. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH&#8230;MY&#8230;HEAVENS! Jen!? Are we parallel Jens? EYE always thought the point of gift giving was to get the receiver something they would enjoy/want, too! It&#8217;s amazing the kind of&#8230;er&#8230;&#8221;stuff&#8221; we get from family during gift-giving occasions. Too often it&#8217;s clearly gift-giving by obligation rather than from the heart. I like to give gifts WHEN I see them (rather than an OCCASION). Why wait? As for impressing, not so much. <img src='http://thehathorlegacy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Jen, that&#039;s lovely! It&#039;s interesting that your friends don&#039;t get it, because I always thought the point of gift giving is &lt;i&gt;to get the receiver something they want.&lt;/i&gt; But I wonder if some people think the point of gift giving is to get the receiver &lt;i&gt;something that will impress the outside world.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Jen, that&#8217;s lovely! It&#8217;s interesting that your friends don&#8217;t get it, because I always thought the point of gift giving is <i>to get the receiver something they want.</i> But I wonder if some people think the point of gift giving is to get the receiver <i>something that will impress the outside world.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Another Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of my friends think my husband is just plain out of it. He doesn&#039;t buy me flowers very often (like...um...ever), the only ring I&#039;m ever likely to receive from him is on my left ring finger. But he never fails to surprise come gift-giving occasions. 

The latest? An under-sink water heater for the bathroom in the back of the house. My reaction? Surprise, of course, but also a big smile. I&#039;ve wanted that instant-hot water for years. No more running water down the drain awaiting a tepid drip. It was thoughtful, useful and a pleasant surprise since it SURELY wasn&#039;t something I&#039;d expect to receive as a gift.

Did he install it? No. I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of my friends think my husband is just plain out of it. He doesn&#8217;t buy me flowers very often (like&#8230;um&#8230;ever), the only ring I&#8217;m ever likely to receive from him is on my left ring finger. But he never fails to surprise come gift-giving occasions. </p>
<p>The latest? An under-sink water heater for the bathroom in the back of the house. My reaction? Surprise, of course, but also a big smile. I&#8217;ve wanted that instant-hot water for years. No more running water down the drain awaiting a tepid drip. It was thoughtful, useful and a pleasant surprise since it SURELY wasn&#8217;t something I&#8217;d expect to receive as a gift.</p>
<p>Did he install it? No. I did.</p>
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		<title>By: sbg</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave my mom a hug and a visit*, which she seemed to enjoy immensely. She would always love jewelry, because to her that is a luxury item she enjoys but rarely purchases ... but ultimately? Her favorite gifts are intangible things.

And she returned the favor by visiting me on my birthday, despite a fear of driving in MN in the winter. Warm fuzzies all around!

As for this viral vid - ugh. I think Jenn covered most of the problem areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave my mom a hug and a visit*, which she seemed to enjoy immensely. She would always love jewelry, because to her that is a luxury item she enjoys but rarely purchases &#8230; but ultimately? Her favorite gifts are intangible things.</p>
<p>And she returned the favor by visiting me on my birthday, despite a fear of driving in MN in the winter. Warm fuzzies all around!</p>
<p>As for this viral vid &#8211; ugh. I think Jenn covered most of the problem areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought my mother a DVD set of documentaries on the history of the first-century Christian church. It cost me $13, and made her much happier than any shiny things would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought my mother a DVD set of documentaries on the history of the first-century Christian church. It cost me $13, and made her much happier than any shiny things would.</p>
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		<title>By: Izzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: bath products, I got body lotion from the female boss at my college job. (Also really crappy nail polish and lipstick). That was in New England, but that was also a pretty damn liberal college, so.

The boyfriend got me two card games and a book of writing tips this year; I&#039;m happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: bath products, I got body lotion from the female boss at my college job. (Also really crappy nail polish and lipstick). That was in New England, but that was also a pretty damn liberal college, so.</p>
<p>The boyfriend got me two card games and a book of writing tips this year; I&#8217;m happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never having been the recipient of flowers or jewelry (or much else in the way of gifts not from family members, just because of the way life works out sometimes), I wanted to point out a different spin on the whole problem.  I almost never wear jewelry of any kind, although I do like flowers and will occasionally buy them myself to brighten things up.  In any case, I have noticed my own reaction, especially when I was the receptionist for 4 years and had to sign for other women&#039;s flower deliveries.

I found myself wanting to be the one singled out in public by a flower/gift basket/whathaveyou delivery even though I was not in any such relationship, not because I was wanting a relationship, not because I wanted the flowers or cookies or whatever, but because such traditional and public gifts (jewelry too because it&#039;s to look at) are in a way status symbols.  Something in my head said &quot;I&#039;m not valuable because I don&#039;t have anyone to spend money on me, and everyone knows it because they can see that no one spends money on me.&quot;

It&#039;s not the truth of course, and my reaction is my own problem to sort out from my emotions to my values.  But if you approach the question of gifts from a sense of &lt;i&gt;male assigns value to female by giving a certain type of expensive gift&lt;/i&gt; then these inevitable ads about such gifts take on a whole other level of creep factor.

And I do think that this assumption is widespread, not just limited to me, so I think there&#039;s at least a small amount of that attitude fueling the commercial.

On the other hand, I thought it was interesting that there was a background of constant instruction about what the men could do to make the women happy - and it was stuff like &quot;talk about your feelings&quot; and &quot;help with the chores around the house&quot;.  Still stereotypical, but mildly more appropriate.  Like, if you won&#039;t take the time to take note of what the woman tells you she wants, then you can buy your way around it with the jewelry that worked for this other guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never having been the recipient of flowers or jewelry (or much else in the way of gifts not from family members, just because of the way life works out sometimes), I wanted to point out a different spin on the whole problem.  I almost never wear jewelry of any kind, although I do like flowers and will occasionally buy them myself to brighten things up.  In any case, I have noticed my own reaction, especially when I was the receptionist for 4 years and had to sign for other women&#8217;s flower deliveries.</p>
<p>I found myself wanting to be the one singled out in public by a flower/gift basket/whathaveyou delivery even though I was not in any such relationship, not because I was wanting a relationship, not because I wanted the flowers or cookies or whatever, but because such traditional and public gifts (jewelry too because it&#8217;s to look at) are in a way status symbols.  Something in my head said &#8220;I&#8217;m not valuable because I don&#8217;t have anyone to spend money on me, and everyone knows it because they can see that no one spends money on me.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the truth of course, and my reaction is my own problem to sort out from my emotions to my values.  But if you approach the question of gifts from a sense of <i>male assigns value to female by giving a certain type of expensive gift</i> then these inevitable ads about such gifts take on a whole other level of creep factor.</p>
<p>And I do think that this assumption is widespread, not just limited to me, so I think there&#8217;s at least a small amount of that attitude fueling the commercial.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I thought it was interesting that there was a background of constant instruction about what the men could do to make the women happy &#8211; and it was stuff like &#8220;talk about your feelings&#8221; and &#8220;help with the chores around the house&#8221;.  Still stereotypical, but mildly more appropriate.  Like, if you won&#8217;t take the time to take note of what the woman tells you she wants, then you can buy your way around it with the jewelry that worked for this other guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was pretty happy my workplace set up a &quot;giving tree&quot; (not the word I would have used) for us to write up what we thought our Secret Santa should get us since they spread Secret Santa across four departments.  (I don&#039;t even KNOW who the heck my giftee is.)  Otherwise, I&#039;d end up with bathstuff.  Which, like ever other time I&#039;ve been given bathstuff by strangers, I&#039;d give away.

I see exactly what you&#039;re saying, Jennifer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pretty happy my workplace set up a &#8220;giving tree&#8221; (not the word I would have used) for us to write up what we thought our Secret Santa should get us since they spread Secret Santa across four departments.  (I don&#8217;t even KNOW who the heck my giftee is.)  Otherwise, I&#8217;d end up with bathstuff.  Which, like ever other time I&#8217;ve been given bathstuff by strangers, I&#8217;d give away.</p>
<p>I see exactly what you&#8217;re saying, Jennifer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nihilunder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nihilunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A stern wife &quot;orders&quot; her meek husband into a dog house for humiliation purposes...Anyone else think this is kinky as all get up?  I mean, this &quot;ad&quot; isn&#039;t really entertaining or funny in any way, and from my view just seems rather creepy.

I won&#039;t play armchair psychologist here, but Freud would have a few things to say about the writers involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A stern wife &#8220;orders&#8221; her meek husband into a dog house for humiliation purposes&#8230;Anyone else think this is kinky as all get up?  I mean, this &#8220;ad&#8221; isn&#8217;t really entertaining or funny in any way, and from my view just seems rather creepy.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t play armchair psychologist here, but Freud would have a few things to say about the writers involved.</p>
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