Reader Audra submitted this article, Confessions of a Young Anti-Feminist, by Josephine Asher. I’ve long maintained that sexist arguments are rarely rational, and usually represent intellects that are more privileged than trained, but rarely have I seen an article do a better job of inadvertently making the argument for me. Asher’s failure to separate rationalized emotion from rationality begins here:
Instead of harnessing the different qualities of men and women to energise us, we are striving to make men and women equal.
I long ago banned gender essentialist arguments from this site. Gender essentialism is the idea that men and women are inherently different, and therefore any woman claiming not to like pink and babies is either lying, rebelling or deranged – and likewise, any man claiming not to care for sports or want to spend time with his kids even if it means changing diapers is similarly deranged. The assumption of inherent biological differences completely lacks scientific foundation, and I make that case more thoroughly in the article linked above. But worse, what it’s founded on is an emotional desire to believe that everyone who doesn’t conform to gender “norms” is defective and can therefore be discounted as a representative of humanity. If we want to be taken seriously as thoughtful human beings, the desire to believe any large group of people defective is something we must all struggle to avoid, not struggle to legitimize with pseudo-intellectual chatter. Unfortunately, Asher missed this memo.
More women are joining the battle for the CEO’s chair and pursuing dominance in their homes and communities. But in the process they’re becoming more like men. And men are becoming… well, less like men.
“Less like men?” And what are men like? Some claim carpenters and farmers are real men while stock traders are not. Some claim richer men are more manly than poorer ones, so the stock traders would beat the carpenters. In some cultures, manly men greet each other with double kisses on the cheek. Where I grew up, that would start a fist-fight. So, again, what does “like men” mean?
Asher has found a compatriot in pseudo-scientific emotional bigotry rationalization:
Renowned Australian neurosurgeon Charlie Teo believes men and women have different roles “set not only by society but set by physiology”.
“The current trend is for dads to be more hands on. But for all we know it may be proven in a hundred years time that that may be a negative thing for the upbringing of children,” he said recently on Seven’s Sunday Night program.
“They’re there to be protective. A man has to have a good job; he has to do well at school so he can get a good job and support his family. A woman has to be loving and caring,” he said.
Ah, here comes the heteronormativity – another perspective that seeks to negate the experiences of all people who don’t conform to gender norms. Even though millions of men miss the mark Teo sets for them – and many others aren’t even aiming for it – we know this is what men should be like because, um… well, let’s see if Asher has any science to clarify it. Maybe this statement?
For thousands of years men were providers and protectors and women nurturers. Evolution provided each with the physical and emotional assets to do these jobs well.
Hmm, nope, sorry. You can’t look at each trait we have now and assume evolution had a great and noble purpose for it. There is debate, for example, over whether blue eyes were actually an advantageous adaptation or merely a trait that bottlenecked in a particular population, but didn’t hurt anyone, and therefore became rather popular. We’ll probably never know for sure.
But there are additional problems with Asher’s claim. First, in hunter-gatherer societies, it’s ridiculous to negate the role of women in providing since gathering is part of that. Second, there is a history of some women fighting to protect their tribes or villages, and there are cultural reasons why women have been excluded from warfare.
But here Asher offers some statistical information. Stats can be scientific, when they’re properly gathered and sensibly applied, so let’s give them a shot.
The Annual Child Care and Workforce Participation Survey found 33 per cent of women who returned to work did so for independence, and 27 per cent for career progression.
However, a British survey of 2000 men revealed one-third of men would prefer to be the sole breadwinning traditional father while another quarter would like to be the main breadwinner with their spouse working only part-time.
When she said “however,” weren’t you expecting her to follow with something that revealed more about the women’s responses in the first survey? Instead, she counters a statement about women’s preferences with one about men’s: “Women want X; however, men want something mutually exclusive with X.” Surely she’ll explain the significance of this contradiction.
Instead, men are sporting aprons, doing their own ironing and pushing trolleys down supermarket aisles – roles that don’t exactly exude manliness.
The survey also found more than half of respondents thought 21st century society was turning men into “waxed and coiffed metrosexuals”, who had to live according to women’s rules.
Oh, I see now: her point was simply that men aren’t getting what they want thanks to feminism. You know, I kind of thought that might be her point all along. It usually is the point with people making this argument: “Feminism is making men unhappy. I don’t like that. I shall find a way to rationalize my desires into what sounds kind of like logic, and then no one can stop me!” But wait – there’s a Real Problem here:
When a man is stripped of his sense of purpose, it’s more difficult to satisfy that instinctive hunger for power and purpose. Could this be part of the reason why one in eight Australian men experiences severe depression in their lifetime?
Actually, no, no, no, no, no. Plenty of men have always experienced depression, and typically manifested it as manly manly rage. It’s not that more men are experiencing depression; it’s that more men are getting treatment for it and being counted. You can thank feminism and mental health advocacy for that: in seeking to make the culture understand that depression is neither just a bad attitude nor a factor of wacky female emotionalism, they made it less uncomfortable for men to seek treatment instead of just drinking themselves into an early grave or shooting themselves in the face, like they did back in the good ol’ days.
At no point does Asher mention how many women are depressed.
Never does Asher offer any logical foundation for her assertions (or Teo’s) that men are supposed to protect and provide for a family while women nurture. That’s because there isn’t one. That’s because the woman who could’ve been a big somebody if only she hadn’t gotten pregnant with those damn kids and had to marry existed long before feminism. The man who didn’t derive purpose from his occupation also existed long before feminism. These people and many other non-conformists are part of why feminism came into being: because millions of people have always found a conflict between their true inner nature and the supposed “norms” of their gender.
The “norms” have never been true mathematical norms: sure, many people naturally happen to conform to stereotypes of their gender, and that’s absolutely fine. But a huge minority don’t – much too big a minority to be dismissed as a fluke. Especially when you consider how the minority might be increased if we could somehow eliminate from the count people who have merely convinced themselves they conform in order to make life easier. Because it does make life oh so much easier.
If the norms were really norms, why would culture work so incredibly hard at brainwashing us all into our acceptable roles, that we have an entire collection of industries for this site to critique for that very reason?


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I guess my sexy-tiem!girly-brain kicks in (if I’m not fappan, which I mostly do ‘cuz vibrators are awesome) when I’d like to have an orgasm with someone I like/am attracted to. HERP DERP
Casey(Quote) (Reply)
Hey, was there ever a time before the 20th century when women dolled up WAY more than men? From what I know of history, which is thorough in some places and lacking in others, there have been times when men got way fancier than women, and times when both were pretty fancy (at least in certain classes), but this concept that women must go to a lot of trouble to fix their appearance to attract men (who are supposedly horny over linoleum, but apparently won’t notice a woman without full makeup, the right hair dye and a special bra
in) is rather new. (I meant “special bra” – it’s ludicrous of course to think men want women with brains! *wipes away tears of hilarity*)That was a long and torturous sentence, but I have a migraine so I can’t be bothered to edit it.
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
Agreed. I think if Dinosaur Comics makes fun of what you are doing you need to take a look at some of your writing choices.
Gena(Quote) (Reply)
Honestly, none that I can think of. Most of the examples that stand out involve either religious ceremony or performers, which is more a separate job description than a gender divide. The impression I’ve gotten even in looking at costume design is that, even now, self-ornamentation is heavily linked to socioeconomic class, and the higher you rank, the more you’re allowed and can afford to do, including, in some cases, men being in a position outranking women. For whatever reason, recently in the West, the range of acceptable dress and carriage for men has increasingly narrowed (I suspect it’s because of greater allowance for male upward mobility and to maintain a camaraderie between men through uniformity and a more universal, simple expression of one’s place in the social hierarchy) while women’s appearances are more linked to impressing men while simultaneously impressing each other. Men dress for men, women dress for men first and for other women after.
I know for a really long time, women weren’t considered as beautiful as men even in the Christian churches, so angels were universally depicted as male and women weren’t allowed to sing in church choirs (the Alto vocal range got its name from initially being the highest natural voice range that men would reach; Soprano was added after), and castrati were more common because of that. I know castrations to retain a contralto/mezzosoprano vocal range were common in the 18th century, but I’m not sure on the timelines for everything…
Gena(Quote) (Reply)
WORD!
And, “I am more likely to choose partners who can ensure an orgasm” apparently means I am looking for a deep psychological connection or something.
Plus, God forbid the context of being in a lower-class social group by nature of my squishy bits (and the ever-present dangers presented to me by consequence of possessing said organs) affect those choices. Choosing to have sex with someone I trust since I have to be constantly aware of not getting drugged/raped/beaten/kidnapped/sold/etc. is not the same as “women won’t fuck anything with an appropriate appendage like men will because they just don’t want to fuck as much as men do.” Or, hey, maybe I don’t want a fucking human being growing inside of me if I’m put into a situation where preventative controls are taken away from me. Or maybe, since ladyparts point inside, some STDs/STIs can be more complicated than when they are on a penis.
I GUESS BEING SUBJUGATED AND THINKING ABOUT CONSEQUENCES ARE GIRLY TRAITS, THAT NO MAN COULD EVER HAVE.
Not to mention the clit is a 100% sexual organ, which apparently developed as a sexy times gateway drug to lady feelings.
It was just such a stupid conversation.
Gena(Quote) (Reply)
Purity Balls. That is all.
Patrick McGraw(Quote) (Reply)
Castrati were relatively common in the same time periods and cultures as upper-class men working to attract women by wearing makeup, wigs, and pads used to create the impression of shapely calves.
Patrick McGraw(Quote) (Reply)
I know, I was like, wait, what? Haven’t men participated in raising children, to various extents, for thousands of years? I guess all of history is actually one big European fantasy movie.
Shaun(Quote) (Reply)
That’s really cool, about the laundry.
Also, hippos! One time I was running an RPG for somebody and her character came across some hippos, and was like, pfft, hippos, and then I revealed they’re among the deadliest mammals in the world, and then she was sorry. >:O
/geeky rp stories.
Shaun(Quote) (Reply)
Charlie Teo is known here in Australia as a brilliant brain surgeon. His thoughts on gender essentialism are about as relevant as any other person’s, so that particular appeal to authority by Asher seems rather random. Or are we expected to believe that “neurosurgeon” = “knows everything about everyone’s brains ever and also he’s a MAN and we should just shut up now”?
lilacsigil(Quote) (Reply)
I read a graphic novel series recently called the Authority. I recommend you check it out*. I don’t know the comic universe it’s set in at all, but the leader of the team is the Spirit of the Twentieth Century and… she’s actually kind of an asshole. She dresses in jeans and a t-shirt, she’s a capable leader and kind of an unlikable person, all things I’m not used to seeing from female comic book characters. The other women on the team are interesting too.
*Caveat, the first 2 graphic novels are pretty cool, but the third one is by a different writer and includes a rape I didn’t really like. The first one mentions rape, so trigger warning, but I didn’t have problems with it the way I did the third book.
Shaun(Quote) (Reply)
A friend of mine is taking a scientific constructions of sex and gender course, and it’s been fascinating to hear the various… rationales for sexism (biology, neuroscience, hormones) and gender essentialism. When I took Bio I got an outline of why males exist, and certain gender essentialist traits therefore logically followed, but a Christian friend once told me Why God Created Women, and outlined male and female traits from that paradigm. I don’t believe any of it, but I have to admit it was a completely logical construction. I’m also discovering there are many, many theories as to the original roles of humans, women, and men in past cycles, each of which can make its own case for what women and men are supposed to be like. I’m wondering now, what if there IS gender essentialism, and it’s COMPLETELY different from what everyone thinks it is? And even if there is, how could you even test for it?
Mostly a rhetorical question(s). Also, apologies if that violates the rules–I’m not making an argument for gender essentialism, but it’s probable that isn’t a new question for you either.
Shaun(Quote) (Reply)
“Sexy times gateway drug” is the best phrase ever.
Shaun(Quote) (Reply)
Or the idea that testosterone is a “male” hormone (even though women have it) and estrogen is a “female” hormone (even though men have it), and all manly traits come from testosterone… even though aromatase is an enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen, and it’s all over human brains, so it would therefore follow that men’s brains are SWIMMING in estrogen, but no, testosterone is the only thing that could ever possibly affect aggression, even if some studies show that’s not the case.
Shaun(Quote) (Reply)
“I have actually known people who expressed approval for an abusive man who conformed to their gender stereotypes while tsk-tsking a wonderful human being of a man who did not.” That scares the crap out of me. I’ve been reading up about gender and crime lately (trying to prove to my very feminist mom with some odd essentialist ideas that women are just as potentially criminal and violent than men and also combat the gender essentialist views of my Crim department) and one of the fields that I found most intriguing was the one about crime as a performance of gender roles.
After my dad’s insurance started denying my care and claiming I wasn’t sick (stupid orphan illness) my mom picked up extra hours to qualify us for her insurance. And the fact that she’s a nurse has saved my life repeatedly. My town didn’t have a problem with women working, just my mom, because her kids were defective. Yet somehow, in our science suburb (everybody worked in aerospace, who says company towns are dead?) these people managed to build careers in the hard sciences and do very well for themselves.
Attackfish(Quote) (Reply)
There was an interesting study done, I believe as part of the meet the predators study, but I don’t remember for sure which found that most of the men who said that they were going to make those kinds of speeches to their daughters’ boyfriends were the ones spending their youths as rapists and other sexual predators. Makes the whole thing even creepier, especially since all the dads who talk about those speeches say they give them because they “know what young men are like”. So they think all men are rapists, but we ladies shouldn’t dare be afraid of men. Never mind that a small minority of men actually are like them.
Attackfish(Quote) (Reply)
You hit on something else incredibly interesting (read flawed) about evolutionary biology as practiced today. It spends all of its time explaining modern (or 50′s) western and especially American culture as natural and mandated by biology, and by contrast, intentionally or not paints other cultures who don’t follow our paradigm as unnatural. Or that they really are following are paradigm, but their either lying or the anthropologists have it all wrong.
Attackfish(Quote) (Reply)
they’re, lying, not “their”. opps.
Attackfish(Quote) (Reply)
If you ever find a link or book rec where I can read that portion of that study, I’d be terribly interested. Rapists don’t reform, though they can change methods to avoid being caught, and that’s making me even more curious about these particular men and where they would now be getting their power kicks.
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
You may have trouble finding proof that women can be as violent and criminal. We actually ARE far, far less violent and criminal than men – but IMO probably only because culture dictates that we can’t get away with that stuff like they can (believe me, if violent women criminals suddenly came out in droves, they’d bring back public hanging without a trial inside a month). Psychology studies have consistently found that power corrupts everyone, including women, about equally, so you might want to check out some of that to further back up your argument.
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
And isn’t the actual hormonal level differentiation between men and women really, really slim to begin with?
According to these theories, shouldn’t people with hormone imbalances either defy ALL gender stereotypes, or resemble their opposite gender in terms of loving pink and babies or Nascar and fart jokes?
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
All I’m saying is that this is why nobody likes bees. Bees are all MEN ARE USELESS, GIVE UP THE DICK THEN GET OUT OF THE WAY and then SF writers are all OH NOEZ IT’S A HIVE SOCIETY!!! OUR REAL GENDER ROLES WILL SOMEHOW SAVE THE DAY. (I BET THEY’RE COMMUNIST TOO!)
:glares at Anne MacCaffrey’s Talent series. It ruined Christmas:
Maria(Quote) (Reply)
You’re fine because, like you said, you’re not actually making a gender essentialist argument. And you raise an interesting point. One of the big problems with gender essentialism is that it relies on everyone sharing the assumption that evolution necessarily leads to a “right” conclusion. The “survival of the fittest” might be better described as “that which doesn’t kill anybody before they can reproduce sticks around for a bit.” Why aren’t gender essentialists also hand-wringing about teeth straightening and cancer treatments and medicine? Evolution GAVE us crooked teeth and disease: surely, we shouldn’t mess with it.
The more you push a gender essentialist to get specific, the more they start sounding like a theist, and that’s where the real disconnect happens. Gender essentialism is an intelligent design theory. It presumes that things are the way they are for a reason BEYOND humanity’s control, and there’s no scientific basis for that. Essentialists claim (for example) men can’t help but be logical, and women can’t help but be emotional, and any deviation from that is the result of cultural brainwashing. But it doesn’t hold up because there are too many exceptions to every rule they state. They don’t realize their arguments are unsound because, bless them, they just aren’t even smart enough to realize they’re not being remotely logical.
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
There’s some good evidence that men and women’s offending rates reach parity when they’re raised in egalitarian households, both that women’s crime goes up, and men’s crime goes down, but since such families are disproportionately likely to be middle class or higher and have other factors limiting offending rates, like community efficacy and greater opportunity, when looked at in aggregate with other crime, the numbers are minuscule. Also a lot of female violent crime according to self reporting is domestic, particularly child and elder abuse, which is very very under reported. My mom’s argument is that women are just naturally less violent, which just galls the heck out of me.
Attackfish(Quote) (Reply)
I need to find this thing I read from one author within another author’s book, but she lists all the ways women are made to fear their sexuality, along the lines of “If having sex made a man a whore instead of a stud, maybe men would be less obsessed with sex” only MUCH MUCH more eloquent, with many more similar points. While I can imagine not wanting to get pregnant or worrying about STD’s might always make women slightly more cautious in general, even in a totally egalitarian society, we are HEAVILY programmed to fret over when to have sex, and how often, and with who, and whether to tell anyone, and so on, in ways that just don’t really apply to men. Even when men make sexual mistakes, i.e., getting someone pregnant, it’s still evidence of their manliness (which is a positive) and after all, you can’t expect a horny guy to use his brain, can you? Oh, but women must! At all times!
So yeah, we’re cerebral about sex. IF WE’RE NOT, WE GET PUNISHED SIX WAYS FROM SUNDAY. Men need to try that on and see if they’re still uncontrollable horndogs after a few centuries. Hint: THEY WON’T BE.
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
Damn it, I read it a couple of months ago, and I’m in the middle of finals, so my brain is mush. If I find it again, I’ll send it along. Sorry.
Controlling their families and living vicariously though their sons?
Attackfish(Quote) (Reply)
Well in the UK we reached record levels of women arrested for crime, and now accouts (as of 2009) for 21% of arrests.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/29/girls-arrests-crime
DragonLord(Quote) (Reply)
Oh, that sounds like promising research you’re finding!
I can believe that in an egalitarian society, women criminals might not always be as bloody as men are, since we generally can’t rely on brute force. But if you define violence as “hurting people” – oh, yeah, we’re excellent at that. I can’t believe we’re any less good at it than men.
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
That’s a big one, and has the additional effect of sometimes turning the sons into NPDs, who are often criminals, but also often NOT criminals, but only because they’re too savvy to get caught.
Jennifer Kesler(Quote) (Reply)
What GG says. I was theorizing something similar to my flatmate the other day, in regards to gay panic and what I think goes on in the heads of men who are both homophobes and misogynists.
My theory: men who disrespect women and fear/hate gay male sexuality have the notion that sexual attraction is naturally bound up with entitlement and coercion, so they assume that if they think this way about women, gay men might (horrors!) think the same way about them. Cuz someone always has to dominate someone, don’t they? Blech.
ACW(Quote) (Reply)
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