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Sound Off: your chance to rant 12-7-11

by Jennifer Kesler on December 7, 2011

I thought we’d try a new feature here, and see how everyone likes it. Sound Off is an open thread where you can rant about most anything that’s bothering you, and maybe you can’t talk about with other people you know. There are only a few rules: it has to be relevant to oppression (of anyone, not just women), gender dynamics, privilege, that sort of thing. This could include a lot of small incidents in your life, and it could also be about big huge political stuff.

You’re allowed to respond to other people’s rants, but you’re also encouraged to post your own. Your rants can include requests for feedback or advice, if you’re dealing with a frustrating situation.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 19, 2011 at 3:25 pm

And I’d also like to say FUCK YOU to the guy who completely down-played getting doused with a shit-tonne of pepper-spray by calling it a “lavender spritz”…LAVENDER SPRITZ, MY ASS!

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Sylvia Sybil (like) (flag)
December 19, 2011 at 3:29 pm

Jennifer Kesler,

I honestly don’t think you’ll need to. The Tea Partier uncle I’ve mentioned? Is literally stockpiling guns for when the civil war comes.

Sometimes he scares the fuck out of me.

My point is, if it comes to open physical violence (because there is physical violence that is hidden or euphemized), I doubt it will be the liberals who fire the first shot.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 19, 2011 at 3:47 pm

Sylvia Sybil,

Your uncle scares me, too. Be careful. :(

You’re probably right about conservatives being the ones to start up any open physical violence. It’s much more in keeping with their philosophy than with liberal philosophies.

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sbg (like) (flag)
December 19, 2011 at 7:45 pm

I could live forever without those assholes who let their dogs shit on the sidewalk and don’t clean it up. Responsible pet ownership, please!

Gotta go rescue my cat, who’s got his head stuck in the handles of a paper grocery sack.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 19, 2011 at 10:42 pm

sbg,

But at least he’s not shitting on the sidewalk, right? ;)

Down here, you’re not even allowed to let your dog crap on grass. You have to pick it up in a plastic baggie (which worries me a little because it’s so not a green practice) and throw it in the garbage. And I don’t know what the deterrent is, but I rarely see dog crap on the ground anywhere. Do they get massive prison sentences or something? Very odd how well that law works.

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sbg (like) (flag)
December 19, 2011 at 11:04 pm

Jennifer Kesler,

Oh, that’s a law here, too. And yet, poo. I don’t get it. Of course, I don’t get why dudes are constantly hawking loogies onto the sidewalk either. Do men produce more saliva than women? Is expectorating the only means of relieving some overproducing glands?

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Azzy (like) (flag)
December 19, 2011 at 11:12 pm

Casey,

Needless to say, at that range, even if it WERE lavender spritz, it’d still hurt like fuck. Ever gotten perfume in your eye? That shit stings.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 1:05 am

I want to sound off against lost causes.
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING LOST CAUSES.

That is to say, one time I was enmeshed in a brou-ha-ha involving (surprise, surprise) some dipfucks on the wrestling forum I frequent trying to justify/excuse/downplay homophobic jokes. I explained VERY CAREFULLY why gay jokes simply aren’t okay and I sent a link detailing a very concise 10-point breakdown of why gay jokes aren’t okay (from one of Sparky’s guest posts on Womanist Musings) and the only reply I got was:

That did nothing to change my mind but thanks for trying.

When I read that I wanted to toss hot coffee in his face.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 9:06 am

sbg,

No, it’s just a way of being an asshole – I think it’s some kind of macho posturing behavior: “My loogie’s bigger than your loogie.”

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firebird (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 10:45 am

Jennifer Kesler,

Quite possibly for most public displays, but my boyfriend does it neatly every morning (in the bathroom). I have a tentative theory that it is because he never blows his nose (seriously). I wonder if other people who do the loogie thing also don’t bow their noses? Maybe it is a trained gender difference – I know I was carefully taught that it was disgusting to sniff instead of blowing my nose.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 11:53 am

firebird: I know I was carefully taught that it was disgusting to sniff instead of blowing my nose.

I remember being taught that, too! But I didn’t get around to blowing my nose consistently until a year or so ago…guess I’m just slow on the uptake. Also, I’ve always been very phlegmy and hacked up loogies a lot, so I never noticed men in particular spitting everywhere (it’s usually my sister who does that). In spite of the fact that I’ve been hacking up loogies for as long as I can recall, seeing someone else spit makes me gag…very weird.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 12:24 pm

firebird,

I never blow my nose – because the air tries to come out my ears instead, so it just doesn’t work. Yet somehow I manage not to hawk loogies.

Interesting sidenote, though – I was taught it was disgusting to blow one’s nose in public, and much better to sniff as politely as possible, and use tissues discreetly to wipe.

Also, every time I’ve told a doctor I can’t blow my nose, they tell me that’s a good thing, because it really does horrible shit to your sinuses. I don’t auto-trust doctors, but at least 3 have told me that, so maybe it’s true?

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sbg (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 2:48 pm

Jennifer Kesler,

Sniffing drives me almost as bonkers as the loogie spitters. It might be a public transportation thing, though. Some mornings, dude behind me sniffs on a ten second interval, lady across the way coughs dryly once a minute and the punk in the front sniffs and coughs in between.

And I’m all, “OMFG, serenity now, please.”

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 3:43 pm

Well, all those sounds irritate me, too – even my own. But if you’ve got constant sinusitis – as I did for the first 27 years of my life – you can’t just stay home until it passes. You have to do *something* about it in public. It can’t be helped.

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The Other Anne (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 4:08 pm

sbg,

Yeah, it drives me bonkers, to the point where I can’t sit still and have to either get out or block out the sound somehow because I feel like my skin is tightening around me and all my clothes feel uncomfortable and it brings out every little irritation. i get that kind of irritated from rhythmic/consistent sniffing (but not a one-off or once every now and again), as well as seeing someone bounce their leg or foot, or with tapping of toes or fingers. I don’t know why, and no matter how much I try to not be annoyed I can’t. I understand that some people HAVE to sniff or do SOMETHING, I just wish it was more feasible for people to carry around tissues if they have to. Or that humans didn’t need snotty lubricants for our airways. :(

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 7:28 pm

The Other Anne,

I’m annoyed by all those sounds you mention, plus: gum chewing, eating noises, lip smacking noises, tiny bubble popping in saliva noises, etc. I’m extremely sensitive to sound. But FWIW, tissues wouldn’t have helped me either. My nose would neither run nor blow – it was just always this sort of post nasal drip that required sniffing or coughing to clear my airways so I could breathe.

Sorry, I just know that I often annoyed people when I had sinusitis, and they annoyed me right back with noises they felt I had no right to be offended by (but they were entitled to take offense at me), and I honest to high heaven could not have avoided sniffing. I always tried to do it quietly, and if humanly possible, wait til I could be alone or at least a distance from people. But I feel like I took an awful lot of shaming for something I absolutely could not help.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 7:48 pm

Jennifer Kesler: eating noises, lip smacking noises, tiny bubble popping in saliva noises

SO MUCH THIS
SO MUCH THIS!
I really can’t stand eating noises/lip smacky noises/etc. (it didn’t help when my friend would purposely eat obnoxiously in front of me after I told him about this then hid behind the flimsy, xenophobic excuse of “I EAT LIKE A KOREAN!” LOLWAT
I’ve only just gotten over hating slurping noises (like slurping hot noodles). I also hate mouth-breathing noises.

Other things I hate are people treating the Bible like it’s historical fact (by which I mean, people who treat THE MIRACLES/LOL-LOGIC of the Bible as historical fact…like my mom. (I also recall asking her once when I was little why God was such a jerk in the Old Testament and she gave me this gem of an answer; “BECAUSE THE JEWS WERE FIVE HAIRS SHORT OF BEING APES AND NEEDED GOD TO PUNISH THEM AND TEACH THEM WHAT’S WHAT”
I’m atheist/agnostic now for a reason)

Some other things I hate are the words “yummy” and “tummy” (makes me wanna PUNCH someone in the tummy) and I hate it when people regress to a childlike state in moments of duress and use baby-talk because of it (like my mom…again *sigh*). Although I need to get over that.

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The Other Anne (like) (flag)
December 20, 2011 at 8:31 pm

Jennifer Kesler,

Oh, I did my best not to let on I was annoyed when I was annoyed, and I was fully aware I did stuff that probably annoyed others, including stuff I wasn’t aware of. :) I’m sorry I kind of implied all problems would be solved by some tissue–I definitely mean on the cold days when I’d get to class and it would be *sniffsniffsniffsniffsniff* all around me. Mostly I wish no one had any problems ever, but that’s pretty unfortunately unrealistic, so I’m sorry I probably just added a bit to shaming anyone who does anything I find annoying without being able to do anything about it. I don’t want to make it seem as though the onus is on others to not be annoying–I am mostly mad with myself for finding things annoying and having such reactions to them. I definitely wish I didn’t. It’s definitely my problem I get annoyed, not yours or any other sniffers.

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Jennifer Kesler (like) (flag)
December 21, 2011 at 12:22 am

The Other Anne,

No worries – like I said, I am as easily annoyed as you, so I’ve had the fun experience of literally wanting to kill myself if I sniff one more time, LOL. It gave me an interesting perspective on tolerance, though, which is that it’s always a balancing act, with everyone giving a little in hopes no one does all the giving or taking. It’s so not the hedonistic state some traditionalists think “tolerance” implies.

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sbg (like) (flag)
December 21, 2011 at 9:06 am

Jennifer Kesler,

Well, it’s not like I ever do anything but stew in my mental juices. Except for when someone coughs or sneezes without covering, and projects so hard I can feel it. Then, I do glare and move seats, because, gross. Even if it’s not something contagious – G.R.O.S.S.

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sbg (like) (flag)
December 21, 2011 at 3:46 pm

People who, in the nonprofit I work for, spend their remaining budget on BS items at the very last possible moment, causing a backlog of work for me. On my birthday.

Hint: If you didn’t spend it before the tail end of December, you didn’t need your budget. Live with it.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 21, 2011 at 9:40 pm

Something really IRRITATING happened to me recently. I got some mail from Children’s International with the photo and stats of a young girl from the Dominican Republic so I decided (on a whim, I guess?) to become her sponsor. I mailed them the $20 “deposit” that would get her food, clean water, dental care, vaccinations and school for a month but I hadn’t heard a reply from them to send more money for at least two months afterwards THEN I got some mail from them URGING me to become her sponsor before it’s too late (implying my money didn’t get through). I got pissed so I sent them an e-mail telling them I mailed my money but the e-mail got sent back to me! I feel so bad for that kid and I don’t know what to do.

So yeah, FUCK charity foundations that swindle us wanna-be do-gooders.

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Shaun (like) (flag)
December 22, 2011 at 4:02 am

Casey,

Impulse charity is a bad idea. Even if it’s not a scam you don’t know how efficiently they spend their money. And I mistrust any organization that tries to get donations using pity.

If you’re concerned about people in the developing world, a better solution is supporting things that will cause institutional or structural change that will benefit communities, not just one girl. Better yet, support initiatives by people in those countries rather than things Westerners think are a good idea FOR them–Kiva is a great place to do this, I’m sure there are others.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 22, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Shaun,

Yeah, I spent my whole life blowing off organizations like Children’s International (and that one with the old white guy with the beard waking around 3rd world slums) as being rip-offs and now I know for sure (then again, since I straight-up sent a $20 bill in an envelope to their HQ, d’you think maybe some awful mail-carrier just tore open the letter, took the money and tossed it?).

I don’t really know HOW to support things that cause international/systemic change…that is to say, I sign petitions on Change.org/Avaaz/etc. all the time but I still feel like a slacktivist. Also, do you know if organizations where you can send impoverished people “gifts” like fruit trees, livestock, running water and stoves count as scams too?

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Shaun (like) (flag)
December 23, 2011 at 6:21 pm

Casey,

I have no idea, I’d have to research the actual org. Again, Kiva Microloans (http://www.kiva.org/) are a great way to go because they’re all projects created by people who live in those countries and who have decided what it is they need. And, because it’s a loan, you get your money back 98.96% of the time (I have never met anyone who hasn’t) so you can re-invest it into others too.

There are also probably grassroots orgs in your local community that do really awesome things. ALSO, use Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org) which can at least alert you to any red flags in their business practices.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 24, 2011 at 11:10 am

Shaun: ALSO, use Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org) which can at least alert you to any red flags in their business practices.

THANKS! :D Now I can do some research on all the charities that send me e-mails like WHOAH.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 26, 2011 at 6:55 pm

So, there’s this comic artist on DeviantArt named Humon and she’s Danish and one of her series is about a blonde, white European man named Neils having a three-way relationship with a Black American couple and…IDK, it’s built upon kinda problematic stuff. Well she just wrote this journal discussing some readers concerns and it doesn’t sit right with me:

Ever since I started making the Niels comics I’ve been bombarded by Americans who told me that I, as a white person, couldn’t do this and that with black characters in my comics. It actually helped me because the comic is taking place in America, so it helped me understand how Duncan and Natalie would feel about white people, and how it would clash with Niels who loves black people but comes from Denmark so he wouldn’t be as sensitive about it as Americans would expect of a white and blond man.

Because us Nordic people have a history of enslaving EVERYBODY we could get our hands on. We loved French, English, and especially Irish slaves (The Irish probably being the single most abused people in our part of the world. They were like a “all you can enslave” table. Even the first slaves in America were Irish). Heck, we even enslaved our own people. So we really can’t be bothered with “old guilt”, especially because there’s a big chance that our own family were once slaves, it’s just that they were white so you can’t tell. So Nordic people tend to not feel white guilt because then we would have to feel guilty for all the people we pissed off in the past when we were vikings and there’s just far too many.
So I try hint at that in the comics. Duncan and Natalie have learned that they can’t use the white guilt card on Niels because he is immune to it, except for in bed were it’s makes for some weird but interesting roleplay. XD

It just sounds like slavery apologism and a re-tread of the “Arab trader” argument, only it’s changed into “THE IRISH WERE TOTES SYSTEMATICALLY ABUSED AND EXPLOITED TOOOO!” (I’m not denying they/we weren’t, I just hate that argument)
I’m sure other people could take this apart more articulately than I can.

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Kel (like) (flag)
December 29, 2011 at 12:13 am

Super, super NOT HAPPY with the phrase “Lock up your daughters”, as seen on a t-shirt. As much as I want to rant more and try to articulate how fucked up I think it is, I must get myself to bed. I found your website tonight via a Google search on the offending phrase, and just want to say that I’m so relieved to find that at least some other people understand its seriously messed up implications.

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The Other Anne (like) (flag)
December 29, 2011 at 1:20 pm

That phrase always makes me think of that one movie by Sophia Coppola whose title I can’t remember right now. About the sisters who all commit suicide after being locked away by their teacher father. I never really liked that movie because it seemed too odd for it to be told from the outsider, creepy stalker boy’s perspective, because the actually interesting people were this family and these sisters. I get movies all the time about boys being creepy, or just “boys being boys” (because that’s what we’d call boys who spy through girl’s windows right? Just boys being boys? URGH.), but rare is it that we get a movie from the perspective of girls. So why make it all about the boys and their fantasies?

Anyway, it bothered me. And I always felt a strong anti-sympathy for the parents who did this to the sisters, and a strong dislike for the creepy boys, and a desire to have these sister characters be something more than just objects for the boys to fantasize about and wonder over the whole movie.

So that’s where my mind goes from your comment, and also to “I am very glad my dad was not of this opinion, that I had to somehow be saved by him from other men/boys who want to like, steal my honor or something antiquated like that.” My dad isn’t empty of problematic notions, but luckily this isn’t one of them (not for my mom, either). The idea that boys wear that sort of shirt to, what, advertise that they’re assholes? It’s very silly for them to do so. The guys who think they’re just THAT awesome very rarely are. And by rarely I mean never in my experience.

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Casey (like) (flag)
December 29, 2011 at 5:58 pm

Oh my GAWD why do I even bother leaving semi-coherent comments on YouTube? I was watching a Rock Me Amadeus video that was covered in pro-Ron Paul propaganda and I asked why people are so up his ass when he wants to dismantle the Civil Rights Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act and further hinder access to abortion and the rights of LGBTQ people. I said something fairly reductionist along the lines of “I think people only like him ‘cuz of his STATES RIGHTS~!! rhetoric and wanting to legalize weed”
Some Smarmy McSmarmerson replied to me:

You haven’t done much research, have you? I disagree with his pro-drugs stance, but there’s nothing wrong with dismantling those acts. We all already have the same inalienable rights. Those organizations and legislation just divide society and suggest that those groups shouldn’t be viewed equally. Are you saying that other races and gays can’t possibly function without the government holding their hands? And more power to him for wanting to ban legalized murder of innocent humans.

Should I offer this person a rebuttal explaining why Ron Paul’s political goals aren’t really all that noble because he just wants to line the pockets of well-to-do white men by cutting military and drug war spending or just ignore hir?

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