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	<title>Comments on: there was NOT enough Angelina Jolie in this movie to make it worth my 9 dollars. :(</title>
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		<title>By: They Wanted a Fox at Crucial Minutiae - it&#8217;s the little things&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>They Wanted a Fox at Crucial Minutiae - it&#8217;s the little things&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hathor Legacy writers scour books, films, TV, and games for good female characters&#8211; and in the case of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bellatrys</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellatrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Melpomene, you want to make a bet about whether or not there will be a fannish defense of the films along the lines of &lt;i&gt;&quot;But Mexican men really ARE all macho and swaggering, so it isn&#039;t really racist/sexist to depict a Mexican character that way!&quot;&lt;/i&gt; the way people are STILL frelling defending that DC &quot;Mother of Champions&quot; character by simultaneously saying that 1) the Great Ten are an honest attempt to be more diverse and respectful of world traditions by having a Chinese superhero team, 2) it&#039;s not racist/sexist to have one of them be a woman whose &#039;superpower&#039; is to give birth to litters of shortlived supersoldiers and rides around on some kind of maternity bed, &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt;, hey, that&#039;s just the sexist, totalitarian way that China &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;, you know?

I mean, only for like a quarter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Melpomene, you want to make a bet about whether or not there will be a fannish defense of the films along the lines of <i>&#8220;But Mexican men really ARE all macho and swaggering, so it isn&#8217;t really racist/sexist to depict a Mexican character that way!&#8221;</i> the way people are STILL frelling defending that DC &#8220;Mother of Champions&#8221; character by simultaneously saying that 1) the Great Ten are an honest attempt to be more diverse and respectful of world traditions by having a Chinese superhero team, 2) it&#8217;s not racist/sexist to have one of them be a woman whose &#8217;superpower&#8217; is to give birth to litters of shortlived supersoldiers and rides around on some kind of maternity bed, <i>because</i>, hey, that&#8217;s just the sexist, totalitarian way that China <i>is</i>, you know?</p>
<p>I mean, only for like a quarter&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bellatrys</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellatrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh dear god. And that commentator doesn’t even start pulling out how the chihuahuas seem like they’re a caricature or metonym or whatever for Mexicans w. delusions of unconquered grandeur.
&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;I&#039;ll take &#039;Skeezy Race Issues&#039; for $500, Alex.&quot;

I can only imagine what the fandom commentary is going to look like when this actually comes out, or we get enough clips to validate our suspicions. (I admit, I am prejudiced against phony &#039;viral marketing&#039; stuff, a check in the negative column to begin with.

&lt;i&gt;Wonder if the spoiled chihuahua gets rescued by and finds love with the Taco Bell chihuahua from a few years back?&lt;/i&gt;

BetaCandy, you can tell me if I&#039;m being too cynical, but my first thought upon reading this was - that was the pitch meeting, &#039;We can remake Lady &amp; The Tramp, only we&#039;ll update it so she&#039;s a Valley Girl, and he&#039;s that Taco Bell chihuaha! It&#039;ll be a blast!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh dear god. And that commentator doesn’t even start pulling out how the chihuahuas seem like they’re a caricature or metonym or whatever for Mexicans w. delusions of unconquered grandeur.<br />
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<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll take &#8216;Skeezy Race Issues&#8217; for $500, Alex.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can only imagine what the fandom commentary is going to look like when this actually comes out, or we get enough clips to validate our suspicions. (I admit, I am prejudiced against phony &#8216;viral marketing&#8217; stuff, a check in the negative column to begin with.</p>
<p><i>Wonder if the spoiled chihuahua gets rescued by and finds love with the Taco Bell chihuahua from a few years back?</i></p>
<p>BetaCandy, you can tell me if I&#8217;m being too cynical, but my first thought upon reading this was &#8211; that was the pitch meeting, &#8216;We can remake Lady &amp; The Tramp, only we&#8217;ll update it so she&#8217;s a Valley Girl, and he&#8217;s that Taco Bell chihuaha! It&#8217;ll be a blast!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder if the spoiled chihuahua gets rescued by and finds love with the Taco Bell chihuahua from a few years back?</description>
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		<title>By: Melpomene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melpomene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear god. And that commentator doesn&#039;t even start pulling out how the chihuahuas seem like they&#039;re a caricature or metonym or whatever for Mexicans w. delusions of unconquered grandeur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear god. And that commentator doesn&#8217;t even start pulling out how the chihuahuas seem like they&#8217;re a caricature or metonym or whatever for Mexicans w. delusions of unconquered grandeur.</p>
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		<title>By: bellatrys</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellatrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html#4073114127148444404&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a write-up of the promotion for Beverly Hills Chihuahua by Suzie&lt;/a&gt;, a coblogger of Echidne&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html#4073114127148444404" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a write-up of the promotion for Beverly Hills Chihuahua by Suzie</a>, a coblogger of Echidne&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Melpomene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melpomene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chihuahua movie looks ludicrous! 

I loved WallE BTW. I&#039;m about to do a review of it now.</description>
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<p>I loved WallE BTW. I&#8217;m about to do a review of it now.</p>
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		<title>By: bellatrys</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellatrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hm...now I&#039;m having even *more* evil ideas of an Animatrix style remake of the DC, with Action!Grrl Beatrice taking Virgil&#039;s place all the way along, fighting the centaurs and various demons to get The Chosen One to Heaven where he can Fulfill His Destiny as God&#039;s Champion, the Rider on the White Horse, in the Apocalyptic finale - see, we can go one better than him being a Jesus Figure, our Dante character can turn out to be the Second Coming only not realizing it (there is old theological fandom debate about this btw) and there&#039;s your Action Hero&#039;s Journey story. It&#039;ll be like a combination of Disney&#039;s Hercules plus Oh My Goddess plus Spawn plus Hellboy - a fourway trainwreck, in other words.

(Bad, *bad* P@L! No biscuit!)

Hmmm, what would the Purgatory level look like? It won&#039;t work as History Fanboy meets Famous Ambivalent People Who Redeemed Themselves In The Past; it won&#039;t *really* work as Hero gradually attains self-knowledge and understanding, either, even tho&#039; that&#039;s what it&#039;s all *supposed* to be, b/c there are never enough explosions and karate kicks in that (which is why Yoda&#039;s training in Empire gets cut off short!) so my thought is that it would have to be a level of mess-with-your-head - the higher up the mountain you go, the less you can tell what reality is, and the greater the temptations to stay and become a Lotus-Eater in your own reality, as you try to work through your issues needing redemption. (Maybe &quot;Purgatory&#039; is breaking up/getting corrupted due to Lucifer&#039;s increasing power, chainging it from its original purpose?)

Anyway this gives us the opportunity to have that most important reversal of the Hero&#039;s Journey with Action!Grrl Beatrice - the point at which she goes from being Kick-Ass to Helpless Weenie. Maybe he was a screaming weenie down on the levels with the lava and the burning sands and the centaur-archers and the farting demons with pitchforks, but *here* Dante gets to come into his own and instead of needing to be rescued, here&#039;s where he rescues her and she finally reciprocates his affection, instead of treating him like the annoying kid brother...

(Down, girl! Stop that!)

&lt;i&gt;Isn’t it weird that Tigress and Snake in Kung Fu Panda were more realized female characters and were in a CARTOON? They weren’t the point of the movie, but their separate plot (where they and their team save the village, and they and their team go to confront the big bad on their own) was pretty darn interesting in its own right. I didn’t get the sense that they were just foils for the hero’s development — they cared passionately about their mentor and the village, and wanted to help save the day.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not so surprised that it was in a cartoon, because I used to watch a lot of anime when I was in junior high, and even the butchered, bowdlerized versions that were all that was shown then were so far above most of the live-action adult US-made TV of the time for plot complexity and characterization, conflict and nuance (TJ Hooker frex vs anything by Leiji Matsumoto) but i AM surprised because it&#039;s a kids&#039; movie which isn&#039;t following the whole Hero&#039;s Journey/Precious Object model exactly. Sounds like they got some YA writers to do the script, instead of the usual suspects! [/snark] [/snark] [/snark] - damn key&#039;s still stuck--

Speaking of which - Have you seen the buzz about this new Disney chihuaha-romance movie? Bleargh!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm&#8230;now I&#8217;m having even *more* evil ideas of an Animatrix style remake of the DC, with Action!Grrl Beatrice taking Virgil&#8217;s place all the way along, fighting the centaurs and various demons to get The Chosen One to Heaven where he can Fulfill His Destiny as God&#8217;s Champion, the Rider on the White Horse, in the Apocalyptic finale &#8211; see, we can go one better than him being a Jesus Figure, our Dante character can turn out to be the Second Coming only not realizing it (there is old theological fandom debate about this btw) and there&#8217;s your Action Hero&#8217;s Journey story. It&#8217;ll be like a combination of Disney&#8217;s Hercules plus Oh My Goddess plus Spawn plus Hellboy &#8211; a fourway trainwreck, in other words.</p>
<p>(Bad, *bad* P@L! No biscuit!)</p>
<p>Hmmm, what would the Purgatory level look like? It won&#8217;t work as History Fanboy meets Famous Ambivalent People Who Redeemed Themselves In The Past; it won&#8217;t *really* work as Hero gradually attains self-knowledge and understanding, either, even tho&#8217; that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s all *supposed* to be, b/c there are never enough explosions and karate kicks in that (which is why Yoda&#8217;s training in Empire gets cut off short!) so my thought is that it would have to be a level of mess-with-your-head &#8211; the higher up the mountain you go, the less you can tell what reality is, and the greater the temptations to stay and become a Lotus-Eater in your own reality, as you try to work through your issues needing redemption. (Maybe &#8220;Purgatory&#8217; is breaking up/getting corrupted due to Lucifer&#8217;s increasing power, chainging it from its original purpose?)</p>
<p>Anyway this gives us the opportunity to have that most important reversal of the Hero&#8217;s Journey with Action!Grrl Beatrice &#8211; the point at which she goes from being Kick-Ass to Helpless Weenie. Maybe he was a screaming weenie down on the levels with the lava and the burning sands and the centaur-archers and the farting demons with pitchforks, but *here* Dante gets to come into his own and instead of needing to be rescued, here&#8217;s where he rescues her and she finally reciprocates his affection, instead of treating him like the annoying kid brother&#8230;</p>
<p>(Down, girl! Stop that!)</p>
<p><i>Isn’t it weird that Tigress and Snake in Kung Fu Panda were more realized female characters and were in a CARTOON? They weren’t the point of the movie, but their separate plot (where they and their team save the village, and they and their team go to confront the big bad on their own) was pretty darn interesting in its own right. I didn’t get the sense that they were just foils for the hero’s development — they cared passionately about their mentor and the village, and wanted to help save the day.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so surprised that it was in a cartoon, because I used to watch a lot of anime when I was in junior high, and even the butchered, bowdlerized versions that were all that was shown then were so far above most of the live-action adult US-made TV of the time for plot complexity and characterization, conflict and nuance (TJ Hooker frex vs anything by Leiji Matsumoto) but i AM surprised because it&#8217;s a kids&#8217; movie which isn&#8217;t following the whole Hero&#8217;s Journey/Precious Object model exactly. Sounds like they got some YA writers to do the script, instead of the usual suspects! [/snark] [/snark] [/snark] &#8211; damn key&#8217;s still stuck&#8211;</p>
<p>Speaking of which &#8211; Have you seen the buzz about this new Disney chihuaha-romance movie? Bleargh!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no plans to see the movie, since I already detest Mark Millar&#039;s comics in general, and  everything I&#039;ve heard about &lt;em&gt;Wanted &lt;/em&gt;indicates that it&#039;s even worse than the comic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no plans to see the movie, since I already detest Mark Millar&#8217;s comics in general, and  everything I&#8217;ve heard about <em>Wanted </em>indicates that it&#8217;s even worse than the comic.</p>
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		<title>By: Melpomene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melpomene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG YES! Let&#039;s just call it ActionGrrrl!Beatrice, since that&#039;s so perfect.

Isn&#039;t it weird that Tigress and Snake in Kung Fu Panda were more realized female characters and were in a CARTOON? They weren&#039;t the point of the movie, but their separate plot (where they and their team save the village, and they and their team go to confront the big bad on their own) was pretty darn interesting in its own right. I didn&#039;t get the sense that they were just foils for the hero&#039;s development -- they cared passionately about their mentor and the village, and wanted to help save the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG YES! Let&#8217;s just call it ActionGrrrl!Beatrice, since that&#8217;s so perfect.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it weird that Tigress and Snake in Kung Fu Panda were more realized female characters and were in a CARTOON? They weren&#8217;t the point of the movie, but their separate plot (where they and their team save the village, and they and their team go to confront the big bad on their own) was pretty darn interesting in its own right. I didn&#8217;t get the sense that they were just foils for the hero&#8217;s development &#8212; they cared passionately about their mentor and the village, and wanted to help save the day.</p>
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