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	<title>Comments on: Veronica Mars: &#8220;Grade&#8221; is not the verb I&#8217;d choose</title>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://thehathorlegacy.com/veronica-mars-grade-is-not-the-verb-id-choose/#comment-89569</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!  I really love all four of your posts on Veronica Mars, there isn&#039;t enough critical analysis of the show!  I linked to all of your posts from my VLog: http://www.feministfrequency.com/2009/07/why-we-need-you-veronica-mars&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!  I really love all four of your posts on Veronica Mars, there isn&#8217;t enough critical analysis of the show!  I linked to all of your posts from my VLog: <a href="http://www.feministfrequency.com/2009/07/why-we-need-you-veronica-mars" rel="nofollow">http://www.feministfrequency.com/2009/07/why-we-need-you-veronica-mars</a></p>
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		<title>By: Purtek</title>
		<link>http://thehathorlegacy.com/veronica-mars-grade-is-not-the-verb-id-choose/#comment-43589</link>
		<dc:creator>Purtek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 12:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if co-ed objectification would make me feel *totally* okay with it, but at least addressing the consent issues (or even, as SunlessNick says, recognizing that this is gross) would have helped. 

Good question on the gender of the prof: He was male. That&#039;s probably in the show&#039;s favour--if it had been a female prof, they risk having her come off as just another &quot;humourless feminist&quot;. As is, the male prof comes off as stuffy and out-of-touch, a middle-aged guy disapproving of youthful sexuality. Though maybe there will be a conversation later to change that, and I think it&#039;s better than the risk of &quot;humourless feminist&quot; because they also screwed that up in the earlier story arc.

MaggieCat&#039;s reading of Logan&#039;s character is pretty good. He&#039;s often conflicted, and he&#039;s both entitled (grew up with a famous movie star dad) and disillusioned (said famous movie star beat him and killed his girlfriend). Usually, though, when he does stupid things to get attention, people have at least called him on it (though they&#039;ve probably been too forgiving). The &quot;Bumfights&quot; reference is to exactly that--he staged fights between homeless people, charged his rich friends to watch, and video taped it. So he definitely has a solid history of similar behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if co-ed objectification would make me feel *totally* okay with it, but at least addressing the consent issues (or even, as SunlessNick says, recognizing that this is gross) would have helped. </p>
<p>Good question on the gender of the prof: He was male. That&#8217;s probably in the show&#8217;s favour&#8211;if it had been a female prof, they risk having her come off as just another &#8220;humourless feminist&#8221;. As is, the male prof comes off as stuffy and out-of-touch, a middle-aged guy disapproving of youthful sexuality. Though maybe there will be a conversation later to change that, and I think it&#8217;s better than the risk of &#8220;humourless feminist&#8221; because they also screwed that up in the earlier story arc.</p>
<p>MaggieCat&#8217;s reading of Logan&#8217;s character is pretty good. He&#8217;s often conflicted, and he&#8217;s both entitled (grew up with a famous movie star dad) and disillusioned (said famous movie star beat him and killed his girlfriend). Usually, though, when he does stupid things to get attention, people have at least called him on it (though they&#8217;ve probably been too forgiving). The &#8220;Bumfights&#8221; reference is to exactly that&#8211;he staged fights between homeless people, charged his rich friends to watch, and video taped it. So he definitely has a solid history of similar behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
		<link>http://thehathorlegacy.com/veronica-mars-grade-is-not-the-verb-id-choose/#comment-43571</link>
		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 09:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s this part:&lt;blockquote&gt;We’re supposed to go all “poor Logan” because he worked so hard&lt;/blockquote&gt;... that&#039;s the deal-breaker for me.  If it had been portrayed as the sick idea it is, that would have been one thing, but...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s this part:<br />
<blockquote>We’re supposed to go all “poor Logan” because he worked so hard</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; that&#8217;s the deal-breaker for me.  If it had been portrayed as the sick idea it is, that would have been one thing, but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MaggieCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaggieCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 04:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it part of this character to be so ...repugnant? Is it out of character?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In my opinion (admittedly only from intermittent viewing), not really. Although it does seem to be a bit of a backslide. He was introduced via voice over in season one as &quot;the [school&#039;s] obligatory psychotic jackass&quot;, although for some reason a lot of people seem to have cut him a lot of slack after he and Veronica started dating (and even before). I never thought he was quite as awful as other people did at the beginning- just rich, entitled, and with a complete lack of sympathy for the huge percentage of the population that doesn&#039;t personally affect him- but I never really saw the later redemption that others did either. Once a jackass, always a jackass was my personal take on Logan.

I... just can&#039;t even figure out where to begin on why the show thought this was a good idea. I can see it as in character for Logan, but I&#039;d like to think better of the showrunners. (On a more fannish note, Mac&#039;s involvement hurts. Even if she has been shown to be willing to exploit people&#039;s baser natures for a profit with  the Purity Test incident.) 

As for unoriginal- once something has been parodied on an SNL cartoon, please consider the horse not only dead, but buried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is it part of this character to be so &#8230;repugnant? Is it out of character?</p></blockquote>
<p>In my opinion (admittedly only from intermittent viewing), not really. Although it does seem to be a bit of a backslide. He was introduced via voice over in season one as &#8220;the [school's] obligatory psychotic jackass&#8221;, although for some reason a lot of people seem to have cut him a lot of slack after he and Veronica started dating (and even before). I never thought he was quite as awful as other people did at the beginning- just rich, entitled, and with a complete lack of sympathy for the huge percentage of the population that doesn&#8217;t personally affect him- but I never really saw the later redemption that others did either. Once a jackass, always a jackass was my personal take on Logan.</p>
<p>I&#8230; just can&#8217;t even figure out where to begin on why the show thought this was a good idea. I can see it as in character for Logan, but I&#8217;d like to think better of the showrunners. (On a more fannish note, Mac&#8217;s involvement hurts. Even if she has been shown to be willing to exploit people&#8217;s baser natures for a profit with  the Purity Test incident.) </p>
<p>As for unoriginal- once something has been parodied on an SNL cartoon, please consider the horse not only dead, but buried.</p>
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		<title>By: Gategrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gategrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 00:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. You mean there were no mens&#039; asses involved? Now, an equal opportunity website showing men&#039;s and women&#039;s consensually taken photos I could live with. Women, after all, objectify men as well. (as my experience in fandom has shown me)

However, what a repellent idea to present on a television show. Is it part of this character to be so ...repugnant? Is it out of character? Is it supposed to show how sexist male college students are? (and they are)

I&#039;m glad the prof shut the Logan character down. Was it a male prof or a female? Do you think that would have made a difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. You mean there were no mens&#8217; asses involved? Now, an equal opportunity website showing men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s consensually taken photos I could live with. Women, after all, objectify men as well. (as my experience in fandom has shown me)</p>
<p>However, what a repellent idea to present on a television show. Is it part of this character to be so &#8230;repugnant? Is it out of character? Is it supposed to show how sexist male college students are? (and they are)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the prof shut the Logan character down. Was it a male prof or a female? Do you think that would have made a difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 21:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:D Yep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://thehathorlegacy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Yep.</p>
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		<title>By: sbg</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 21:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

I...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>I&#8230;</p>
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