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		<title>By: Jennifer Kesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scarlett, it&#039;s really frustrating isn&#039;t it? On the one hand, M deserves kudos for not being the sort of jerk society tells him he&#039;s welcome to be. OTOH, the way he is ought to be the rule, not the exception.

Firebird, sort of &quot;If you aren&#039;t part of the solution, you&#039;re part of the problem?&quot; There&#039;s some truth to that.

Susan, it&#039;s interesting you mention &quot;staring matches.&quot; We recently had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://thehathorlegacy.com/why-if-you-think-women-should-be-flattered-by-your-harassment-you-are-stupid/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;couple&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://thehathorlegacy.com/why-if-you-think-harassment-is-flattering-you-are-stupid/discussions &lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; about street harassment and how it&#039;s natural to look at someone attractive, but not to stare because staring (throughout the animal kingdom) is interpreted as a challenge, as aggression. And the men who do that know it. Other people may tell us &quot;It just means you&#039;re cute; be flattered&quot; but it&#039;s not true.

To stop it from happening I think we&#039;d have to educate everyone to understand that looking is sexual but leering is aggressive. If the men who do it didn&#039;t have that defense to fall back on, some of them wouldn&#039;t have the nerve to do it, and maybe we&#039;d reach a tipping point where it that behavior would get such a bad rap it would virtually stop happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarlett, it&#8217;s really frustrating isn&#8217;t it? On the one hand, M deserves kudos for not being the sort of jerk society tells him he&#8217;s welcome to be. OTOH, the way he is ought to be the rule, not the exception.</p>
<p>Firebird, sort of &#8220;If you aren&#8217;t part of the solution, you&#8217;re part of the problem?&#8221; There&#8217;s some truth to that.</p>
<p>Susan, it&#8217;s interesting you mention &#8220;staring matches.&#8221; We recently had a <a href="http://thehathorlegacy.com/why-if-you-think-women-should-be-flattered-by-your-harassment-you-are-stupid/" rel="nofollow">couple</a> of <a href="http://thehathorlegacy.com/why-if-you-think-harassment-is-flattering-you-are-stupid/discussions </a rel="nofollow"> about street harassment and how it&#8217;s natural to look at someone attractive, but not to stare because staring (throughout the animal kingdom) is interpreted as a challenge, as aggression. And the men who do that know it. Other people may tell us &#8220;It just means you&#8217;re cute; be flattered&#8221; but it&#8217;s not true.</p>
<p>To stop it from happening I think we&#8217;d have to educate everyone to understand that looking is sexual but leering is aggressive. If the men who do it didn&#8217;t have that defense to fall back on, some of them wouldn&#8217;t have the nerve to do it, and maybe we&#8217;d reach a tipping point where it that behavior would get such a bad rap it would virtually stop happening.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I knew what they were doing, I just gave a small smile, avoided eye contact and looked at the ground as I passed by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I knew what they were doing, I just gave a small smile, avoided eye contact and looked at the ground as I passed by.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU NAILED IT, I AM UN-BRAINWASHED AS WELL AND WANT TO HELP STOP THIS.

I AM CONSTANTLY GETTING IN STARING MATCHES WITH STRANGE MEN IN PUBLIC PLACES (WALMART, GAS STATION, ECT.) due to the fact that I finally realiZed they were staring at my body up-and-down, and getting satisfaction out of it.

WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENNING TO THE YOUNG GIRLS?

HOW DO WE UNITE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU NAILED IT, I AM UN-BRAINWASHED AS WELL AND WANT TO HELP STOP THIS.</p>
<p>I AM CONSTANTLY GETTING IN STARING MATCHES WITH STRANGE MEN IN PUBLIC PLACES (WALMART, GAS STATION, ECT.) due to the fact that I finally realiZed they were staring at my body up-and-down, and getting satisfaction out of it.</p>
<p>WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENNING TO THE YOUNG GIRLS?</p>
<p>HOW DO WE UNITE?</p>
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		<title>By: Firebird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 05:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;

It can be hard sometimes to express to people why they should care.  To be honest, it&#039;s hard to care sometimes myself.  Or to explain why I get to work towards this goal even though I didn&#039;t do it.  But you are exactly right - we get to work toward fixing it, or we get to live with it as it is or worse: bad situations always seem to worsen instead of getting better by themselves.</description>
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<p>It can be hard sometimes to express to people why they should care.  To be honest, it&#8217;s hard to care sometimes myself.  Or to explain why I get to work towards this goal even though I didn&#8217;t do it.  But you are exactly right &#8211; we get to work toward fixing it, or we get to live with it as it is or worse: bad situations always seem to worsen instead of getting better by themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Oprah is my hero. I rarely watch her show, find her style to be quite sachrine(sp, sorry!) but I have such a deep admiration for the shitty place she came from and what she made of herself. I cannot fathom what kind of strength she must have needed to overcome what she has. I admire Madeline Albright for the same reason.

On a semi-related note - I get a lot of comments from my female friends that my boyfriend, M, is just the most amazing guy ever. Because he&#039;s made an effort to ingratiate himself with my friends, but he gets that sometimes I want to see them by myself. He gets that I need time to myself and won&#039;t always be free for him the second he wants me. He&#039;s honest and affectionate and supportive and, having been close mates before we got together, I can say with some authority that he&#039;s the most decent guy I&#039;ve ever met (including my dad, my brother, my ex, my friends exes and my male friends).

And yet... the things I just listed are qualities my female friends all have, qualities that are EXPECTED in a girlfriend. M is the most decent guy me and a lot of the women in my life have ever met - but all he&#039;s done is meet the standard that&#039;s often expected of women.

I know I&#039;m really lucky to have him in my life, given the general standard that&#039;s expected of boyfriends, husbands, even male friends. But I kind of resent that I&#039;m considered &#039;lucky&#039; to have such a &#039;great guy&#039; when, IMHO, my &#039;great guy&#039; should be the standard, not the exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Oprah is my hero. I rarely watch her show, find her style to be quite sachrine(sp, sorry!) but I have such a deep admiration for the shitty place she came from and what she made of herself. I cannot fathom what kind of strength she must have needed to overcome what she has. I admire Madeline Albright for the same reason.</p>
<p>On a semi-related note &#8211; I get a lot of comments from my female friends that my boyfriend, M, is just the most amazing guy ever. Because he&#8217;s made an effort to ingratiate himself with my friends, but he gets that sometimes I want to see them by myself. He gets that I need time to myself and won&#8217;t always be free for him the second he wants me. He&#8217;s honest and affectionate and supportive and, having been close mates before we got together, I can say with some authority that he&#8217;s the most decent guy I&#8217;ve ever met (including my dad, my brother, my ex, my friends exes and my male friends).</p>
<p>And yet&#8230; the things I just listed are qualities my female friends all have, qualities that are EXPECTED in a girlfriend. M is the most decent guy me and a lot of the women in my life have ever met &#8211; but all he&#8217;s done is meet the standard that&#8217;s often expected of women.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m really lucky to have him in my life, given the general standard that&#8217;s expected of boyfriends, husbands, even male friends. But I kind of resent that I&#8217;m considered &#8216;lucky&#8217; to have such a &#8216;great guy&#8217; when, IMHO, my &#8216;great guy&#8217; should be the standard, not the exception.</p>
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